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Post by stevesaraullo18 on May 5, 2019 17:43:07 GMT -5
Seems like the 11u division is extremely close in competition as kids begin to grow, develop and move programs. Elkridge has taken a huge step forward picking up several kids and a few just developing. They have beat Mid-Atlantic Redsox 4 times some in close games and some in blow outs. Mid-Atlantic has beat Olney twice and Tide once. A showdown between Laksehore and Elkridge was set for today but thanks to Mother Nature it didn’t happen, but it just delays them facing off til next Friday.
It seems that the top 10 in the stat could take a game from each other any day.
Would love to see a group of top 10-12 kids come together from Maryland and represent and go play a few perfect games, and represent Maryland as many over look this state for great ball players .
Would love to hear some names people would put together.
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Post by John Ballgame on May 5, 2019 18:26:30 GMT -5
Steve, Exactly. Get rid of the watered down ball and put a legit team together. Only way to compete at PG and other tourneys regionally like Triple Crown. It won’t happen though because of head coach egos. They can’t seem to let go.....
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Post by oldtimer on May 5, 2019 19:56:29 GMT -5
Steve, Exactly. Get rid of the watered down ball and put a legit team together. Only way to compete at PG and other tourneys regionally like Triple Crown. It won’t happen though because of head coach egos. They can’t seem to let go..... If given a choice would the top players from Lake Shore, Mid Atlantic,Elkridge and Olney rather play on their current teams(often times with friends ) practice together and play somewhat of a local schedule with some overnight trips or form a team to compete regionally? To me sounds like pushing an 11 year old into this is a parent ego issue. Not really a coaching issue because if kids want to do this they are free to do so. I don’t have an issue with Steve’s idea but if a one or 2 shot deal tough to organize ( given teams different schedules) Is playing PG at 11 that big a deal? Maybe at 13-14 and up but by the time we get there the top players then will not all be the same kids who are the better players now.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on May 5, 2019 22:31:10 GMT -5
I don’t think it comes down to ego at all. I’m not saying don’t play on your regular team, but come fall which would put the boys at 12u go play 2-3 high quality tourneys. For the most part we play a lot of the same competition over and over. Why not challenge some of the kids and play tougher competition. To me the game is all about fun but would also like to see the kids face tougher competition and compete.
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Post by Crash on May 5, 2019 23:36:26 GMT -5
Judging by the way i have seen some of this web sites “top” 11u teams play and the gimmicks they use i highly recommend not heading to a high level tourney this year or next. That crap doesn’t work towards the tail end of 11u or at all at 12u. Coaches that teach kids to do this stuff you never see at the higher levels of baseball shouldn’t be coaching. How many LS teams are relevant past 11u?? Let me tell you. None. Do yourselves a favor and stay local and your style may work a while longer. Head to NJ for a PG and come back embarrbutted. Keep on teaching bunting more than 1 time a game and the base running gimmicks. It won’t work at 12u.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on May 6, 2019 0:06:37 GMT -5
So here comes the bunting situation again....
Well first I’m not a LakeshoreCoach, my son just happens to play there as they are the most competitive team in our area, and he’s played there since he was 4. But as bunts are such a hot topic did anyone see Ole Miss squeeze on LSU today? Speaking of New Jersey Tri State posted a video of the bunting today. Why is this such a big topic.
All I’m looking to do is possibly talk about exposing some of the best talent to some more competitive games.
And one thing I can agree on with you is that after 12u almost all LakeShore teams fall apart. Not gonna argue that with you one bit, but I don’t see why Lakeshore is the topic when we are speaking of trying to get together a great group of kids to represent Maryland and expose them to quality baseball as they seem to play a lot of the same teams over and over.
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Post by oldtimer on May 6, 2019 8:34:30 GMT -5
I don’t think it comes down to ego at all. I’m not saying don’t play on your regular team, but come fall which would put the boys at 12u go play 2-3 high quality tourneys. For the most part we play a lot of the same competition over and over. Why not challenge some of the kids and play tougher competition. To me the game is all about fun but would also like to see the kids face tougher competition and compete. No issue with this at all if it could be worked out. I just didn’t like the comment by the guy who said teams are watered down. Just because we can’t keep up with tri state arsenal or east Cobb doesn’t mean we ( Maryland ) are weak.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on May 6, 2019 8:40:36 GMT -5
When he says “Watered down” I sorta of look back when I played . There were maybe 8-10 really good travel teams. This was before youth baseball became a business. So I get his terminology. You had kids travel over an hr to play with the Maryland Orioles, and not the Maryland Orioles of now, I mean the Dean Albany and Timmy Norris Maryland Orioles. National tournaments you had to qualify for not just drop a check for 6-10k like Ripken.
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Post by rba coach on May 6, 2019 9:09:22 GMT -5
I have a few thoughts on the topics here.
First, Steve, I love your idea. Myself and Paul and Jim (Lakeshore and Tide) discussed this last fall/winter but it was really hard to make it happen (time and money commitment from players and parents/families). I have a couple of players that probably fit that mold (with willing/able parents) and if this gets socialized again, please count us in in the discussion. It's for fun, development, reward to top players, etc. Nothing negative about these things at all! They are 11 years old yes, but sometimes we don't give kids enough credit in the proper areas. "that's too young" "they need to wait until x years old" Why? Too young to have fun and see what else is out there and play alongside of some very high end teammates once in a while in the off season? It's funny we let our kids have cell phones and social media accounts at elementary school ages now but we are complaining about some bunting and/or ideas to try more competitive things with them and dabble in something that might be a little bigger than what they are used to in a team/competitive atmosphere. That's a head scratcher for sure when you think about the potential damage of one versus the other.
Second, on the negativity, it's just not necessary. Bunting is a part of baseball and some coaches use that as well as stealing and baserunning extremely aggressively at this age. It makes it hard to defend in some cases but it's part of the game which will only make them stronger as they get older if they work on it. I have been seeing this since 9u. When playing teams from So California that traveled to South Carolina they explained to me that their kids play MLB rules starting at 8u out there...and they knew every small ball trick in the book at 9 years old. To them, they are still just playing a game. It's part of the game they play and it's not offensive or wrong to them. If our kids play whiffle ball in the yard they do this type of thing to each other and frankly they have a blast doing it trying to outsmart each other and take the extra base or sneak in a run to claim bragging rights. They are boys it's in their DNA. Just because it's in a controlled environment with umpires we want to limit them and say it's wrong. If it were wrong, it would be in the rule book as such. Give the kids credit. They can handle it.
Last, insulting an organizations relevance is just not necessary in any forum or format regardless of what is being discussed. I would say that LS and every other org who might still field teams that are not always top 10 after a certain age are very relevant. If they are supporting our youth and providing a place for them to play, continue to love the game, even if they are not top 100 players in the state by age 14 or 15, yet they still love the game and want to play it competitively, then yes, they are relevant. This is coming from a guy who grew up in that circuit in AA County, has nothing to do with it now, but it's where my love of the game started and developed which has thankfully allowed me to pbutt it along and share it with hundreds of kids in the last 13 years. I was never as good as a lot of these kids that we coach and play against now and I would have been left out in the cold if not for many of these types of programs when I was growing up.
We are talking about kids here and organizations that have been doing good things for kids for decades in many cases from the rec level to the local travel level to the state and regional level or beyond. Let's stay positive while being competitive and not throw around an organizations name like that.
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Post by oldtimer on May 6, 2019 9:18:32 GMT -5
I realize Cooperstown is not PG and there is a wide variety of teams But I think it gives you a good idea of how our teams stack up against teams from across the country. Don’t keep track of what happens every year but few years back when my sons team went I kind of followed things and that year we had 5 teams i know of make it to Thursday and 2 or 3 make the final game Wednesday. From my recollection dont think anyone brought guest players .
So are teams watered down from the past(when more athlete played baseball for one thing) maybe. But overall I don’t think so.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on May 6, 2019 9:32:07 GMT -5
First to the RBA coach- you’ve always been a stand up clbutt act, and well said sir.
I’ve never been to Cooperstown but I hear teams fly kids in just to pitch.
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Post by prjr on May 6, 2019 10:25:52 GMT -5
Judging by the way i have seen some of this web sites “top” 11u teams play and the gimmicks they use i highly recommend not heading to a high level tourney this year or next. That crap doesn’t work towards the tail end of 11u or at all at 12u. Coaches that teach kids to do this stuff you never see at the higher levels of baseball shouldn’t be coaching. How many LS teams are relevant past 11u?? Let me tell you. None. Do yourselves a favor and stay local and your style may work a while longer. Head to NJ for a PG and come back embarrbutted. Keep on teaching bunting more than 1 time a game and the base running gimmicks. It won’t work at 12u. 😏
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Post by Johnny Ballgame on May 6, 2019 10:45:04 GMT -5
Oldtimer, Relax.....the teams are watered down. It’s not a lack of talent it’s the fact of having dozens of teams within a small mile radius in Maryland.
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Post by slugger on May 6, 2019 11:24:42 GMT -5
There are too many travels teams now-a-days because dads want their kid to play and be the star on the travel team and will surround him with rec level kids so his son is the star.
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Post by oldtimer on May 6, 2019 11:49:31 GMT -5
There are too many travels teams now-a-days because dads want their kid to play and be the star on the travel team and will surround him with rec level kids so his son is the star. This leads to more b teams not a watering down of a teams. B teams may hurt rec but if my kid was a b , rec all star caliber player and loved baseball what would he like better Rec ball or playing on a b team with nice uniforms and many more reps then rec? Some of it is parent related but I look at all these teams (some orgs have a b and c teams) as a good thing. Do people look down on lower teams because they think their own kid Is so great it is beneath them and some kids aren’t worthy of playing travel if they are not A caliber [ Think every HS player played on an a team?
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