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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 20:25:23 GMT -5
So someone spoke on the 10u rankings about we don't worry about rankings we just develop players for their future. It's funny that this was clearly a Delmarva buttociate by their previous post.
I'm no expert but is it developing a 10year old when you throw them 92 pitches in the first month of the season? People forget GameChanger is public and to me that isn't really development. That's riding one kid for a plastic trophy that will go in the trash.
So many coaches are getting caught up in winning championships at 10-13, who cares. Make your team well rounded teach the game the correct way and protect these kids arms. It's a problem that's becoming way to common. Tournaments need to really start having stricter pitch count regulations.
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Post by manbun on May 29, 2018 21:02:58 GMT -5
I saw 83 pitches in 3.1 innings
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Post by loudcoachsteve on May 30, 2018 16:16:58 GMT -5
😮😮😮😮
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Post by Thedude on Jun 5, 2018 19:37:35 GMT -5
I saw 83 pitches in 3.1 innings That would be no one from my team I can guarantee that without a doubt in my mind. If it is it’s an error by the person in gamechanger. None of my kids throw over 80 on a weekend. |
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Post by Thedude on Jun 5, 2018 19:41:37 GMT -5
I saw 83 pitches in 3.1 innings That would be no one from my team I can guarantee that without a doubt in my mind. If it is it’s an error by the person in gamechanger. None of my kids throw over 80 on a weekend. The game in question that kid didn’t pitch all 5.1 he came out after 4 so the person on gamechanger never made the change I’m buttuming. |
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Post by Your Conscious on Jun 6, 2018 9:38:39 GMT -5
Bro, He pitched a hell of a game.... but he did throw 83
Delmarva Aces East 10Umore stats
Pitching IP #P S% H R ER SO BB HR
Osiah K. 3.1 83 .554 3 2 2 3 5 0
Chase R. 2.2 27 .704 0 0 0 3 0 0
Totals 6.0 110 .591 3 2 2 6 5 0 Pitching
W: Osiah K.
HBP: Osiah K. 2, Chase R.
Pitches-Strikes: Osiah K. 83-46, Chase R. 27-19
Groundouts-Flyouts: Osiah K. 3-2, Chase R. 1-3
First pitch strikes-Batters faced: Osiah K. 9-19, Chase R. 6-9
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Post by Thedude on Jun 6, 2018 12:53:33 GMT -5
Bro, He pitched a hell of a game.... but he did throw 83 Delmarva Aces East 10Umore stats Pitching IP #P S% H R ER SO BB HR Osiah K. 3.1 83 .554 3 2 2 3 5 0 Chase R. 2.2 27 .704 0 0 0 3 0 0 Totals 6.0 110 .591 3 2 2 6 5 0 Pitching W: Osiah K. HBP: Osiah K. 2, Chase R. Pitches-Strikes: Osiah K. 83-46, Chase R. 27-19 Groundouts-Flyouts: Osiah K. 3-2, Chase R. 1-3 First pitch strikes-Batters faced: Osiah K. 9-19, Chase R. 6-9 I was talking about the 92 comment. Osiah started his last batter with 79 and finished that batter and was pulled. 83 pitches. 3 over what I keep them under for weekend. My bad I went 3 over. |
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Post by Thedude on Jun 6, 2018 12:55:47 GMT -5
Bro, He pitched a hell of a game.... but he did throw 83 Delmarva Aces East 10Umore stats Pitching IP #P S% H R ER SO BB HR Osiah K. 3.1 83 .554 3 2 2 3 5 0 Chase R. 2.2 27 .704 0 0 0 3 0 0 Totals 6.0 110 .591 3 2 2 6 5 0 Pitching W: Osiah K. HBP: Osiah K. 2, Chase R. Pitches-Strikes: Osiah K. 83-46, Chase R. 27-19 Groundouts-Flyouts: Osiah K. 3-2, Chase R. 1-3 First pitch strikes-Batters faced: Osiah K. 9-19, Chase R. 6-9 I was talking about the 92 comment. Osiah started his last batter with 79 and finished that batter and was pulled. 83 pitches. 3 over what I keep them under for weekend. My bad I went 3 over. I quoted your comment when I was referencing the 93 5.1. I’m not disputing 83 and pulled. Normally he’s way under that deeper in the game he didn’t have good stuff that day but grinded it out. |
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Post by Thedude on Jun 6, 2018 13:01:05 GMT -5
Bro, He pitched a hell of a game.... but he did throw 83 Delmarva Aces East 10Umore stats Pitching IP #P S% H R ER SO BB HR Osiah K. 3.1 83 .554 3 2 2 3 5 0 Chase R. 2.2 27 .704 0 0 0 3 0 0 Totals 6.0 110 .591 3 2 2 6 5 0 Pitching W: Osiah K. HBP: Osiah K. 2, Chase R. Pitches-Strikes: Osiah K. 83-46, Chase R. 27-19 Groundouts-Flyouts: Osiah K. 3-2, Chase R. 1-3 First pitch strikes-Batters faced: Osiah K. 9-19, Chase R. 6-9 But a huge difference is our kids do not play leagues a team down here also and the vast majority of my kids do not pitch in little league down here very often. We consistently Get flat ground work in and a bullpen a week at practice so 83 pitches for a week in my opinion isn’t too bad. Also due to the fact i refuse to let them throw breaking balls also at this age. You hit spots and work changeup. |
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Post by bamf on Jun 6, 2018 13:14:52 GMT -5
The issue is not that this kid threw 83 pitches in a game at 10u, which is not a big deal if the kid can handle it (ie has good mechanics, didn't pitch the last few days before this or play catcher, is durable, no know issues/injuries, etc). Its that he threw 83 pitches in 3.1 innings and walked 5!! He needs to work on lowering that.
83 over 4 plus innings good, 83 over 5 innings you got something.
Pitch count is subjective, and there are a ton of variables to take into account that a high # is harmful. MLB nor DR. James Andrews don't have the answers... yet. They have admitted that the 100 pitch threshold the MLB goes by is just a number they decided to start with.
Pitchsmart has a daily limit of 75 for a 10 year old, and 85 for 11-12. but what if Osiah is built like a 12 years old or what if his parents forged his BC and he is 13...who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 13:22:55 GMT -5
Man it went from GameChanger wasn't changed, to I wouldn't let a pitcher throw 80 in a weekend, to 83 in a weekend isn't bad, and they don't play much league ball..... 💩 Is getting deeper and deeper.
And to say your kids don't throw off speed besides a change is a load of 💩 to. Your the coach and stand behind your decision.
I agree that 83 isn't to many, but in only three innings it is for the reason of the kids arm reached muscle failure. If you throw 100 pitches in a ten inning game is better to me than 83 in 3 due to the fact that not many realize what muscle failure is. Once you reach it every pitch becomes like throwing 3.
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Post by bamf on Jun 6, 2018 15:36:18 GMT -5
Muscle Failure and fatigue can happen at any pitch count, again its is all dependent on the pitcher and the hundred other factors. Kid plays basketball the day before game, his legs are tired so he uses more of his arm/shoulder on his delivery which causes issues.
and breaking balls causing arm issues is an old wives tale (or coaches tale). Throwing a curve correctly at age 9 is not going to set a kid up for TJ surgery at age 16.
Baseballgod, i am not trying to dismiss your concern for the kid, but you can judge from one game in GC. I have done a lot of reading and talked to all of Dr. and trainers. and for every theory on arm safety there is another to contradict it. all with science and medical research behind it.
-Don't throw weighted balls - you have to use weighted balls
-don't throw for 3-4 months a year -not throwing for that long will cause little league elbow and shoulder issues, you must continue to work the arm to keep it in shape
- don't do long toss - long toss is the only way
- don't swim laps - laps strengthen you whole body with out the stress on the joints
-do bands and dynamic stretches before you pitch - light static stress is all you need to do
etc etc.... read The Arm and you will see the craziness.
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Post by Thedude on Jun 6, 2018 15:37:36 GMT -5
Man it went from GameChanger wasn't changed, to I wouldn't let a pitcher throw 80 in a weekend, to 83 in a weekend isn't bad, and they don't play much league ball..... 💩 Is getting deeper and deeper. And to say your kids don't throw off speed besides a change is a load of 💩 to. Your the coach and stand behind your decision. I agree that 83 isn't to many, but in only three innings it is for the reason of the kids arm reached muscle failure. If you throw 100 pitches in a ten inning game is better to me than 83 in 3 due to the fact that not many realize what muscle failure is. Once you reach it every pitch becomes like throwing 3. Game changer not being changed was to the comment about 92 in 5.1 he didn’t pitch that and that’s a different kid. The 83 is correct. Finished a batter over 80. And like I said he didn’t have his stuff he usually is under 80 pitches for 5-6 innings. Prob the worst outing he’s had in two years as a pitcher for us. Not making any excuse 83 is owned but the 92 is not correct for my son. |
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Post by Thedude on Jun 6, 2018 15:39:34 GMT -5
Man it went from GameChanger wasn't changed, to I wouldn't let a pitcher throw 80 in a weekend, to 83 in a weekend isn't bad, and they don't play much league ball..... 💩 Is getting deeper and deeper. And to say your kids don't throw off speed besides a change is a load of 💩 to. Your the coach and stand behind your decision. I agree that 83 isn't to many, but in only three innings it is for the reason of the kids arm reached muscle failure. If you throw 100 pitches in a ten inning game is better to me than 83 in 3 due to the fact that not many realize what muscle failure is. Once you reach it every pitch becomes like throwing 3. Game changer not being changed was to the comment about 92 in 5.1 he didn’t pitch that and that’s a different kid. The 83 is correct. Finished a batter over 80. And like I said he didn’t have his stuff he usually is under 80 pitches for 5-6 innings. Prob the worst outing he’s had in two years as a pitcher for us. Not making any excuse 83 is owned but the 92 is not correct for my son. [br I can guarantee you my kids don’t throw benders. We work change up. Honest to god on that one. If they have a bender I don’t call it. Believe what you want on that one but I know what is called. ] |
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Post by Ty-Webb on Jul 6, 2018 6:25:17 GMT -5
I seen 178 4days them coach use that shoulder real good and they aint even when buttume they won the real nice league these seasons with hcyps throwangs they knuckelballers that throwang 40 miles slower then my ole ,lady truck 178 in 4 daays is crimes
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