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Post by Man Bun on Feb 27, 2019 21:07:10 GMT -5
Until the Calvert Tide can beat the Olney Pirates, the deserve to be the #1 ranked team.
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Post by baseballdad1 on Feb 28, 2019 13:32:00 GMT -5
Man Bun, funny name...
I am sure there is a reason for Tide being #1. If I were the 11u Olney Pirates Head Coach or any other team that felt the rankings were incorrect, just go out and prove the rankings wrong! A coach can choose to use this as a motivational tool.
It's youth baseball, to me developing players is really what matters. The wins/loses; the tournament titles are great but positively helping to develop young men is what matters in the long run!
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Post by Info Please on Feb 28, 2019 14:11:12 GMT -5
This forum is great it really is... I enjoy reading it, so to whoever created it thank you!
I have read on other threads that people would like to know the criteria for the rankings. So PLEASE post how the "Staff" determines the rankings!
I agree with the rankings for the most part. Calvert Tide and Olney are the two best teams at this age group right now. I agree with Man Bun that until Tide beats Olney or Olney goes on a losing streak, Olney should remain #1.
Baseballdad1, I also agree with you, at the end of the day it is youth baseball... and if this was "rec league baseball where everyone gets a trophy" then I would say wins and losses don't matter. All of the kids playing on the teams listed/ranked are head and shoulders above rec league talent. They should be keeping score, tracking wins and loses, being ranked. You have to know where you stand before you can get better. You have to have a goal to push you to get better.
I know the coaches on my son's team are not only teaching/developing the boys the right way, but they are molding great young men.
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Post by Tabitha on Feb 28, 2019 14:25:56 GMT -5
Anybody who cares or posts about youth rankings is a tool.
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Post by Man Bun on Feb 28, 2019 15:55:33 GMT -5
Have a great day Tabitha. I am pretty sure nobody on here loses sleep over the rankings. It’s a discussion forum about travel baseball and many people on here love to discuss baseball. I am sure most teams are proud to be mentioned in the rankings. I am also pretty confident that most coaches are trying to develope all their players, but also teach competition, which allows the kids to learn how to win and lose respectfully. #rolltide
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Post by Tide Dad on Feb 28, 2019 16:17:36 GMT -5
And that response right there is the reason my boy plays for the Tide! Man Bun speaking the truth... #rolltide
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Post by Tabitha on Feb 28, 2019 18:25:30 GMT -5
So then talk about drills, situations, arm care, flexibility and strength training, etc. Not the nonsense of my 10 yr old team is ranked 4th but should be 2nd. If I coached I would be proud of the kid’s development and baseball’s life lessons not that my team was mentioned in a ranking.
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Post by Man Bun on Feb 28, 2019 22:30:57 GMT -5
So then talk about drills, situations, arm care, flexibility and strength training, etc. Not the nonsense of my 10 yr old team is ranked 4th but should be 2nd. If I coached I would be proud of the kid’s development and baseball’s life lessons not that my team was mentioned in a ranking. So we are ok and can worry about our 11U kids team rankings . If you don’t think our kids learn life lessons and are developing you are uniformed. If you don’t like people talking about rankings or baseball go find the everyone gets a trophy forum and everyone gets equal playing time.
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Post by Recruiting301 on Feb 28, 2019 23:39:20 GMT -5
Reality is... this is a sport of rankings. I also think the majority of the coaching staffs of the “ranked” teams are doing great developmental things with their teams. Especially when you are talking of a “competitive/travel” nature. PG, USSSA, Top Gun etc. all start ranking teams, and ranking young. If there is an issue with team rankings there will definitely be an issue when they get to 13/14U and individual players start getting ranked through PG/PBR/NCSA or whatever.. velos, exit speeds, 60’s, spilts etc. I know this is an 11U discussion forum, but the reality of the preceding is only two years away. This may not be the forum for an individual if the above ignite thoughts of anger or disgust. Teaching “competitiveness” is good.. it’s healthy. It’s a trait players can take with them into life. Setting the bar and knowing where you stand also helps a coach “develop” their team. By comparing (ranking) the coach can identify the deficiencies and improve them to get the team to the next level by “developing”. Players are also attracted to these teams. Having the most talented teammates possible will make a player better as well. They’ll develop or go find another team that suits where their skills are. Coaches have different styles and approaches which determine ultimately where we as parents decide the program the player participates in. Again, there is a team/coach for everyone somewhere. We can’t bash coaches for being successful. Ask your player at any age group what team they would like to play for if they could have their pick. Kids don’t like to lose. You can have a very successful program and be developing players at the same time. There are many at every age group in the State of MD. The vast majority of coaches I’ve encountered over my years care very deeply about their players development and well being. The vast majority also do it as a volunteer.
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Post by LoveBaseball on Mar 1, 2019 3:03:36 GMT -5
i understand what tabitha is saying. Just because pg and pbr “ranks” players doesn’t make it right nor accurate or have anything to do with development nor have anything to do with getting a division 1 coach or mlb scout to come and see a kid play. I played 4 years of division 1 baseball for a top 15 team in the country and then got drafted and played 3 years of pro ball before getting released. I am good friends with many division 1 head coaches and mlb scouts. O look at rankings. If you think otherwise, talk with someone with experience or an actual coach or mlb scout. If you are thinking ranking has anything to do with competitiveness then you are also missing the point. If development is what you seek then determining the goal for the child is specific (most kids high school playing is goal, playing at the college level is next, Div 1 is only for the few and like i said before many division 1 kids aren’t “ranked” high anyway. Sounds like i may be in the minority on this forum, i just don’t buy into this ranking stuff based on my playing days and my friends who are coacjing and scouting at a high level, a job which i think is cool.
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Post by DHicks on Mar 1, 2019 9:22:01 GMT -5
"If you can't measure it, you can't manage(Improve) it." - Peter Drucker.
Rankings are an important tool to show progress and improvement. They can be a benefit to coaches that develop players over time, but they can also be a enemy to those coaches that abuse arms and overuse kids.
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Post by LoveBaseball on Mar 1, 2019 9:31:59 GMT -5
Rankings have nothing to do with the development of kids nor show improvement or progress. There are kids playing rec ball which is fantastic that become better players, teammates, and better human beings with the life lessons of baseball. I am pretty sure back in the day (70’s, 80’s) teams didn’t have youth rankings nor cared about it yet kids developed and progressed just fine. Too many people buying into this nonsense is to your point what is causing the abuse in arms, kids picking 1 sport at young ages, and burnout. Measuring kids progress and development is done with coaches who have played and know the game of baseball and can see the incremental positive skillset that a kid is developing. This conversation is almost comical to even have to have it.
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Post by DHicks on Mar 1, 2019 9:53:58 GMT -5
If you go out to the main page you will find this:
MD youth baseball talk Talk about everything from rankings, players, leagues, etc with 8u-14u
Nothing wrong with discussing which teams are the best in the area and compiling a ranking system based upon H2H, Common Opponents, and Accomplishments.
"I am pretty sure back in the day (70’s, 80’s) teams didn’t have youth rankings nor cared about it yet kids developed and progressed just fine." Much has changed since then, including the invention of the internet, forums dedicated towards discussion, and more.
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Post by oldtimer on Mar 1, 2019 13:18:09 GMT -5
Have a great day Tabitha. I am pretty sure nobody on here loses sleep over the rankings. It’s a discussion forum about travel baseball and many people on here love to discuss baseball. I am sure most teams are proud to be mentioned in the rankings. I am also pretty confident that most coaches are trying to develope all their players, but also teach competition, which allows the kids to learn how to win and lose respectfully. #rolltide This is well stated. This is a discussion forum . As far as rankings go totally subjective and so many variables. The few guys on here that try seem to put time into it but even so unless you are able to watch all the teams play (and not just when your team is playing them) how do you really know? Even looking at common opponents and head to head doesn't tell the whole story. Team A might have thrown their ace and beat Team B who pitched their 5th best pitcher . If you take league play into account have to realize some teams use a rotation and try to get a bunch of kids work while some teams save their ace to pitch primarily against the stronger teams only. How about coaches who overuse their pitchers? If the coach of Team A overuses his two best pitchers and goes 18-2 in league play and wins 4 tournaments does that mean his team is better than Team B who uses pitch counts and goes 14-6 and wins 1 ? I'm not against rankings and i actually enjoy looking at them but when you are ranking teams that play in different leagues (some tournament only) not very easy
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Post by bigcountry72 on Mar 10, 2019 13:24:52 GMT -5
Well said, a tournament only schedule is much tougher than that of a team that plays a ton of local ball against weak competition. I'm all about rankings, but lets get them close to correct. For a team that was only a few games over .500 against weak competition to be ranked in the middle of the top 10 is terrible. Having said that I dont feel anyone at this age group should get wrapped up in the rankings. Win your games and let your reputation speak for itself.
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