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Post by DHicks on Apr 11, 2019 12:22:37 GMT -5
Coaches job to generate as many runs as possible or Develop his players? Try and outcoach the opponent ( you mean feed your ego after you beat the other volunteer coach in the opposite dugout?) How much practice time does a 10-12 year old team get a week? Maybe 4 hours if lucky. At that age you need to work on hitting, fielding,bullpens, Base running etc. NOT spending 45 minutes working on bunt defense Because some team can’t hit your pitcher and will resort to Anything in the rule book to win a game? Don’t get me wrong situational bunting is not wrong and should be taught. But if you are going to bunt 10 times or use every trick in the book Just admit your first priority is winning development secondary Big Thumbs Up!
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Post by Bgbd astros on Apr 11, 2019 14:04:46 GMT -5
Oh ok, yeah you are right. Just because the other coach is a volunteer, that’s changes the way you are supposed to coach a game. Also it is bogus to think it’s all about winning and not development when you take advantage of other.l teams deficiencies. If second base was open you wouldn’t steal it? If the third baseman couldn’t field a bunt you wouldn’t bunt? Apart of development is to learn to capitalize on the opponents dificiencies. Done at the highest levels.
Look at how baseball is played these days. It’s about strategy more than ever. The defensive shift? The new school running methods? The outfield rotations with index cards? Pitching specialists? Oh yeah, let’s just try brute force to win baseball games.
You’re stuck in old school baseball and the game has evolved past you methods. Winning is the product of development. Those guys that run the bases well, can bunt and know how to execute will be much better suited than your hit and field it methods. Bet that
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Post by Sir Bunts Alot on Apr 11, 2019 15:11:14 GMT -5
As soon as bunting is not allowed in baseball I will stop teaching it. It’s an art form and very hard to defend. Teams that instruct their players to bunt are teaching fundamental baseball. I know plenty of high school teams that bunt and do it successfully. I guess hitting has to be launch angle and high strike outs since that is MLB. I have seen a few squeeze plays in the young MLB season so far as well as someone stealing home. Who cares what batter in the order bunts, swell the kids head of that they are only a 3 or 4 hole hitter and then they cry when they are in high school and batting in the 8 or 9 hole. I can’t wait to hear more from the development police.
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Post by Man Bun on Apr 11, 2019 15:33:27 GMT -5
To be clear the Tide bunted 7 times in the semi final game and they were to move a baserunner into scoring position and a few times be a base hit. We will also bunt anyone in our lineup as no one on our team is beyond bunting as they buy into the team aspect. We also intentionally walked a batter to set up a force play, because that’s baseball. Anyone that wants to say we are not developing our players, I am sure the parents on the team beg to differ.
As for all the comments on developing baseball players, and for the person who thinks the goal is develope MLB players ( ha ha) I am sure teams have try outs every year correct? Why not keep the same team every year and develope the players you have instead of trying to attract new talent? It’s called competition and it’s good for kids to compete and earn their spot and playing time, because after travel baseball that’s how most teams are in high school and college. Good discussion on bunting by the way, I like that there is finally something to read on this forum. Have a good weekend y’all, and have some fun competing on the weekend
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Post by pat on Apr 11, 2019 15:35:49 GMT -5
Hard to defend at 11, yes, at D1 no. Get a clue.
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Post by Man Bun on Apr 11, 2019 15:41:52 GMT -5
Hard to defend at 11, yes, at D1 no. Get a clue. So this is a forum thread on 11U baseball not D1 correct?
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Post by keepitreal on Apr 11, 2019 15:51:32 GMT -5
this is a great conversation. If kids being able to play all facets of the game both offensively and defensively isn’t development I don’t know what is. To use the mlb as an example is a joke, not much strategy at that level. They can all go yard at any time and pitchers throw 95. It is a game of balls in the bigs. I guess teaching a kid to be able to hit oppo is also not development. The teams that I find complain about bunting are also the teams that don’t defend it well. Why not teach the whole game?? Just my take If I am a high school coach I would much rather have a kid that hits 500, can play anywhere and has the ability to lay down bunts. You won’t always have the most talented team on the field, you can still find ways to make the kids play better.
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Post by bgbd astros on Apr 11, 2019 15:52:46 GMT -5
Most of the time people that say “it’s not real baseball” are those with limited baseball experience and teaching ability. Instead of fixing it, they resort to name calling and excuses. Hey dudes, baseball is more than just hitting, pitching and fielding. To the yahoo that brought up the idea of training to be like an MLBguy for an 11U, you just made us all laugh. Thanks for that
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Post by Ouch on Apr 11, 2019 19:40:34 GMT -5
Bunting with your 3, 4, 5 hitters????That don’t sound like baseball to me, sounds kind of weak, how many times will you see that happen in a major league game, isn’t that what we’re supposed to be coaching our kids to do. If you can’t win a game hitting with pretty much your top 3 hitters in your lineup, then you might need to re-evaluate, could be wrong, not a coach but that’s just my perspective from the outside looking in Baseball fan, since you are to teaching your kids to be MLB players do they not run out routine ground balls or pop flys? Do your 11U kids get to talk to the umpire about balls and strikes? Do you allow your 11U kids to drill a batter that hit a home run that bay flipped or pimped it? Since MLB hitters at 3,4,5 don’t bunt and “ isn’t that what we’re supposed to be coaching our kids to do”.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Apr 11, 2019 22:25:50 GMT -5
Score as many runs as possible or develop players? This one got me... if I’m not mistaken this whole convo started around a tournament scenario. You don’t play tournaments to loose, unless this is a new strategy that we are also teaching our kids I didn’t know about. Bunting and bunt defense are fundamental aspects of the game that develop players. That’s why it isn’t introduced until the 9u season. So if your develop your players and build them up year by year you are clearly developing them. This also equates into scoring more runs IF you develop the players to execute this fundamental skill. I’m glad that there is some talk on here finally but some of it shows that there are so many know it alls that truly haven’t played or been developed. And to piggy back on Chris and Dave’s comments, if you watch Tide they have consistently gotten better every year, why is this you may ask? They develop players. One of the best players in this age bracket is 10yrs Old on their team, that’s not just talent but development. Please keep the entertainment coming!
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Apr 11, 2019 22:28:18 GMT -5
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Post by keepitreal on Apr 12, 2019 5:16:21 GMT -5
Appreciate the support Steve. I think anyone that has seen our team knows that our players are "developed" and taught this game. This is all good conversation and I love different philosophies on baseball. While I don't agree with some of the comments on here everyone does things different. Our goal is to develop players to play high school ball and some will go on to play college ball. And if you can get money to do either or both of those from playing this great game then that is a bonus. My son knows at an early age that baseball is a game and it if you work hard enough that amazing game can be a tool to get a top quality education. Maybe he gets lucky beyond that but playing MLB ball is more of a pipe dream than a reality. Who does everyone have this weekend? Tide is at SATB. Looking forward to our draw tomorrow against Gaylor and the Shockers, we haven't had the chance to play them yet. BTW, I spoke with one of the NJ coaches yesterday that played the triple crown in Richmond.....he is very familiar with us but was very impressed with the level of competition at that tourney and also with the MD teams there representing. Olney and RBA. Love seeing MD teams being able to hang with the NJ teams that have a much larger draw than we do. Keep it up boys.
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Post by Mike S on Apr 12, 2019 6:41:38 GMT -5
I’ve seen Dematha, Spalding, Calvert Hall, Broadneck and Arundel High this year. 0 bunts. I played college baseball and unless a team was in dire need to move a runner up to tie or go up a run no one bunted. Not quite sure where you are seeing this besides in japan where it’s station to station baseball. With no slashing at this age I encourage any and all teams to bunt against us. Unless you have a kid with plus speed he will never bunt for a hit on a 90 field so I am still trying to understand the development part? Maybe it’s to develop the best bunting 11u team and then that goal could be accomplished.
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Post by keepitreal on Apr 12, 2019 7:07:37 GMT -5
Mike S, You fail to see the development part in teaching your team situational bunting and defensive bunt defense? Really confused by the fact that you don't see the benefit or "development" piece in teaching your players the entire game of baseball. Again my goal isn't to get anyones acceptance and I'm surely not going to argue about what you feel is baseball compared to others. From all that I have seen and it has been said here, most teams that have issues with bunting or teams stealing bases are the ones that can't defend it. And people to say bunting and situational baseball isn't "baseball" is ridiculous. Everyone on a travel team should be able to execute every facet of baseball. Development.
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Post by DHicks on Apr 12, 2019 7:20:06 GMT -5
I think we can all agree that bunting and bunt defense are parts of the development of the game. That is pretty obvious. Bunting at 9u-12u just doesn't happen very often and when the 3,4,5 hitters do it than it raises some eyebrows. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but I do think it is uncommon.
If you are going to do it at that age, and consistently, then you have to be prepared for some backlash. Parents may not like it, your coaches may not like it (even though they say they do), and it will pose some issues with other teams.
Does it happen at 13u? Not very often due to -5's. Those bats are just too powerful.
Does it happen at 14u? Yes, due to the introduction of BBCOR. However, Bunting becomes more common at 14u in tight games late in the ballgame.
High School? You wont find the best teams in the MIAA bunting very often. Defenses are outstanding and hitters are too good to take the bat out of their hands. Laying a bunt down happens, but just about as often as levels that succeed.
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