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Post by Guest on Apr 29, 2019 12:04:51 GMT -5
They rarely even play in the same tourneys. Last summer played in same tourney, Hendricks lost in QF, Harkins won Tourney. Couple of common opponents last year. None yet this year.
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Post by DHicks on Apr 29, 2019 12:06:29 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing. That would give them a better accomplishment.
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Post by DHicks on Apr 30, 2019 7:47:48 GMT -5
1. Olney Pirates (29-1)
2. Bethesda Big Train (10-0)
3. Mid-Atlantic Red Sox (11-6)
4. HCYP Blue (13-4)
5. Gambrills Athletics (12-5-1)
T6. Elkridge Orange (9-4-1)
T6. White Marsh (13-7)
8. Catoctin Baseball Club
9. Hickory Hornets
10. Severna Park
Honorable mentions: HCYP White, Williamsport Angels, Mid-Atlantic Shockers-Harkin, Mid-Atlantic Shockers-Hendricks,
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Post by mikey0713 on May 4, 2019 19:00:34 GMT -5
1. Olney Pirates (29-1) 2. Bethesda Big Train (10-0) 3. Mid-Atlantic Red Sox (11-6) 4. HCYP Blue (13-4) 5. Gambrills Athletics (12-5-1) T6. Elkridge Orange (9-4-1) T6. White Marsh (13-7) 8. Catoctin Baseball Club 9. Hickory Hornets 10. Severna Park Honorable mentions: HCYP White, Williamsport Angels, Mid-Atlantic Shockers-Harkin, Mid-Atlantic Shockers-Hendricks, Catoctin Baseball Club is ranked too high. |
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Post by Jessie Smith on May 5, 2019 10:36:40 GMT -5
1. Olney Pirates (29-1) 2. Bethesda Big Train (10-0) 3. Mid-Atlantic Red Sox (11-6) 4. HCYP Blue (13-4) 5. Gambrills Athletics (12-5-1) T6. Elkridge Orange (9-4-1) T6. White Marsh (13-7) 8. Catoctin Baseball Club 9. Hickory Hornets 10. Severna Park Honorable mentions: HCYP White, Williamsport Angels, Mid-Atlantic Shockers-Harkin, Mid-Atlantic Shockers-Hendricks, Gambrills is top 3 team, Catoctin should not be ranked- Mid Maryland should be ranked instead. Not sure about Shockers Hendricks- Gambrills beat them 11-3 yesterday. Hickory Hornets should not be ranked and Severna Park has taken a step back from last year but no.issue with them at #10. Olney Gambrills BCC big train Red Sox Hcyp blue Mid- Maryland United Williams port Angles KSI Elite Elkridge Orange White Marsh or Severna Park or mid-Atlantic shockers hendricks |
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Post by el1ito on May 5, 2019 12:35:37 GMT -5
BCC Big train 12U beat Gambrills 12U on March 31st. The final score was 8 to 1. BCC should be ranked at second place. I would love to see BCC play against the Pirates.
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Post by DHicks on May 5, 2019 12:57:11 GMT -5
I always take head to head into consideration first. I think i have the rankings pretty close and a few may move after this weekend.
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Post by Baseball123 on May 5, 2019 13:33:00 GMT -5
Dhicks If, as you say, you take head to head in consideration first why would you put BCC below Gambrills?? BCC beat Gambrills, not to mention their overall record is better. Nope-doesn’t make sense.
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Post by 12u Strong on May 5, 2019 14:04:42 GMT -5
Dhicks If, as you say, you take head to head in consideration first why would you put BCC below Gambrills?? BCC beat Gambrills, not to mention their overall record is better. Nope-doesn’t make sense. Pretty sure Hicks has BCC at 2. Maybe u need to go back and read them. As far as records, they mean nothing. Look at who they are playing. Gambrills and Olney play the 2 toughest schedules in 12u. Maybe Mid Atlantic Red Sox as well. Yes, BCC has 2 good pitchers. Take that to Triple Crown or Perfect Game and see how far you get. Olney won the April Triple Crown. Gambrills and Mid Atlantic Red Sox held their own. Records are only as good as who you have played. Gambrills and Olney Strength is schedule far ahead of BCC. Not even close. |
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Post by DHicks on May 5, 2019 14:18:15 GMT -5
Dhicks If, as you say, you take head to head in consideration first why would you put BCC below Gambrills?? BCC beat Gambrills, not to mention their overall record is better. Nope-doesn’t make sense. Yeah I recommend reading the original post, which has the updated rankings. I have always listed Big Train 2nd. Here is what I base the rankings upon: Rankings based on 1) Head to head wins 2) Common Opponent wins 3) Accomplishments. Record does not factor in, unless it meets any of the criteria mentioned. |
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Post by DHicks on May 5, 2019 14:22:46 GMT -5
Dhicks If, as you say, you take head to head in consideration first why would you put BCC below Gambrills?? BCC beat Gambrills, not to mention their overall record is better. Nope-doesn’t make sense. Pretty sure Hicks has BCC at 2. Maybe u need to go back and read them. As far as records, they mean nothing. Look at who they are playing. Gambrills and Olney play the 2 toughest schedules in 12u. Maybe Mid Atlantic Red Sox as well. Yes, BCC has 2 good pitchers. Take that to Triple Crown or Perfect Game and see how far you get. Olney won the April Triple Crown. Gambrills and Mid Atlantic Red Sox held their own. Records are only as good as who you have played. Gambrills and Olney Strength is schedule far ahead of BCC. Not even close. I agree with that as well. When it is all said and done (long game) we know which teams will be where in terms of development. Rankings are fun to keep track and aid in the entertainment of playing one another, but have little significance at the youth level. I enjoy it cause I enjoy the research. Rankings done properly with sound research are a good measure. Rankings done poorly based upon bias opinion are worthless. |
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Post by DHicks on May 5, 2019 14:31:14 GMT -5
Side note: If you think the rankings are silly think again. Within the past year, I have had three MIAA coaches ask me where I had certain teams ranked at the 13u (current 14u) level. One coached another 14u team, and the other two were actively recruiting players within their area and wanted to see matchups vs other top teams.
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Post by Big diamond on May 6, 2019 5:20:12 GMT -5
Dhicks If, as you say, you take head to head in consideration first why would you put BCC below Gambrills?? BCC beat Gambrills, not to mention their overall record is better. Nope-doesn’t make sense. Yeah I recommend reading the original post, which has the updated rankings. I have always listed Big Train 2nd. Here is what I base the rankings upon: Rankings based on 1) Head to head wins 2) Common Opponent wins 3) Accomplishments. Record does not factor in, unless it meets any of the criteria mentioned. Me criteria is head to head against quality teams, bad loses, road wins against top teams, winning on Sunday (championship or runner up) - head to head on Sunday should be considered more as it's elimination game. Strength of schedule especially for teams that go 17-2 but play light competition |
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Post by 12u Strong on May 6, 2019 6:04:23 GMT -5
Yeah I recommend reading the original post, which has the updated rankings. I have always listed Big Train 2nd. Here is what I base the rankings upon: Rankings based on 1) Head to head wins 2) Common Opponent wins 3) Accomplishments. Record does not factor in, unless it meets any of the criteria mentioned. Me criteria is head to head against quality teams, bad loses, road wins against top teams, winning on Sunday (championship or runner up) - head to head on Sunday should be considered more as it's elimination game. Strength of schedule especially for teams that go 17-2 but play light competition That’s fair. By your criteria what are your top 5 12u teams?  |
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Post by DHicks on May 6, 2019 6:41:14 GMT -5
I use the same thing.
Head to head and common opponent take into account strength of schedule. If a team is 17-1 but hasn't played anyone that is both H2H and common opponent. Obviously, winning a tournament and finishing 2nd are accomplishments.
1. Olney Pirates (29-1)
2. Bethesda Big Train (10-0)
3. Mid-Atlantic Red Sox (11-6)
4. HCYP Blue (13-4)
5. Gambrills Athletics (12-5-1)
How does "head to head against quality teams, bad loses, road wins against top teams, winning on Sunday (championship or runner up)" change any of the top 5?
"Here is what I base the rankings upon:
Rankings based on 1) Head to head wins 2) Common Opponent wins 3) Accomplishments.
"Record does not factor, unless it meets any of the criteria mentioned."
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