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Post by Dinger on Jun 19, 2019 10:33:55 GMT -5
But the tournament would have to be at SATB so it can be a HR Derby
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Post by RBA Coach on Jun 19, 2019 11:55:25 GMT -5
I said it last year and will again. If I can get the participation I will host this event next year just as I offered it for this year. Teams will have to travel but you know what, that is part of this whole thing. If we do this though I would like to have everyone in agreeance on how this would go. If we want to get this done, we all need to be in contact and set a date early as to when we are going to do this. I would prefer to do it later in the season so everyone can get their big tourneys out of the way. Make it a 3 day event and get it done. Honestly I see it being alot like the Crab tournament, pitching depth and grinding things out will win it. No guest players, bring what you have played with all year and lets have fun. Hell I'm down for even running things early on the Saturday and we have a big cookout with all the teams in it at one of the parks. We can make this happen and I'm all for it, I think it would be a blast. And it would definately be quality baseball which is what we are all looking for. Feel free to contact me, lets get it going.... Chris Cadden, Calvert Tide 301-399-5788 cadden82@gmail.com Love this idea. We would love to participate if it is setup early enough. Because families need to plan long weekends and weeklong tournament dates and events...and because many of the prime time venues and invite-only venues put things out early (e.g. in the fall/early winter) I agree it needs to be set and agreed upon very early in this coming off season otherwise participation would be hit/miss. Also w/12u being a big Cooperstown and similar venue type of year it will only add to the need to set it early and lock it in. |
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Jun 19, 2019 12:24:44 GMT -5
I think this would be great for next year as it would be a cheap tournament, and many teams are trying to save money with Cooperstown being such an expense.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Jun 19, 2019 12:30:02 GMT -5
But the tournament would have to be at SATB so it can be a HR Derby Taking nothing away from the shockers, but are the shockers as good of a team on a field that isn’t 200 llfoot fences? They are by far one of the best hitting teams, but some of their homerun say SATB are routine outs on most 11-12u fields. |
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Post by Lee/Gambrills on Jun 19, 2019 12:54:29 GMT -5
Steve, yeah...200ft fences at 11/12 can get interesting real quick, but it does add the HR threat to the game and pitchers that live in the middle of the plate will learn to hit their spots. A few weeks ago at SATB, Gambrills 12u (McNally) hit 7 HR's in the first inning off of a decent team from CT. Their leadoff hitter hit 2 HR's in the first. That's nuts!!
The 11u Gambrills/Shockers semi final game at SATB last weekend would've been a 4-3 game opposed to 11-10 at our home field in my opinion. I have to hand it to Mike and his squad, they're strong top to bottom and their pitchers change speeds very well. Solid team for sure. Looking forward to a rematch.
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Post by tidecoach on Jun 21, 2019 9:26:22 GMT -5
Keeping costs down is very simple. I don't see an issue running a bare bones tournament where everyone comes for bragging rights. Essentially that is what it is, bring what we feel are the best teams out for bragging rights for a year or so. That to me beats the hell out of $1.50 trophy, lol. Agree it needs to be set early in the fall and I will stay on top of this and reach out to the top 10ish to get the ball rolling. 2 umps per game and baseballs. Depending on the fields I get we have grilling and picnic areas that are available and we can reserve for the weekend as well for teams to cook out etc.
In no particular order....
Olney
Tide
RBA
Lakeshore
Elkridge
Gambrills
Mid Atlantic shockers
Delmarva Aces
Mid Atlantic Redsox
BCCC Warriors / Hickory / MD Orioles (Been impressive as of late this year)
But to keep costs down this would be a bare bones tournament where we, as a group, provide extras if we want them. Standard USSSA rules without pitching restrictions, coaches on these teams I don't see having an issue protecting their kids. Open for thoughts and I will contact the teams we all feel should be in this one, try to keep it to 10 imo, to get a feel for dates next summer. Please feel free to contact me as well to discuss.
Chris
301-399-5788
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Post by Armcare on Jun 21, 2019 12:29:09 GMT -5
I think there should be pitching restrictions for a tournament like this.
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Post by Armcare II on Jun 21, 2019 15:25:55 GMT -5
Follow Perfect Game guidelines. Guarantee you 1/2 of the coaches balk at it.
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Post by PG guidelines on Jun 22, 2019 20:34:19 GMT -5
PG 11-12u pitching guidelines are really not too far off from public school guidelines for juniors/seniors. So their (Pg) restrictions are a tad tighter than those written for 17-18 year olds. Follow those. This is the reason no MD teams in MD will play in Perfect Game tourneys. They all throw their 3-4 top pitchers 30-45 pitches Saturday and then another 60-80 on Sunday. Can’t do that by PG or HS limits. Name a local that’s has played a Pg ?? I’ll tell you. None.
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Post by RBA Coach on Jun 22, 2019 21:28:29 GMT -5
I'll be the first to comment to the mystery PG police here. Mark one on the side of I will play by those rules and not balk at it. Just because we don't pay for the money grab at 10u and 11u and wait until kids are a little older to showcase and pay for the PG doesn't mean we aren't capable of training 9, 10, 11 pitchers on our team to throw in a weekend and utilizing all of them with common sense pitching restrictions. We don't need to pay PG to do this for us. But are very happy to play by those rules or any other that are implemented. I'm not going to defend the other coaches on this list, I'll let the defend themselves. I'll just kindly ask that you stop making blanket statements because at least for one team (and probably others) you have no idea what you are talking about and you are entirely incorrect and sound ignorant.
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Post by PG Police on Jun 22, 2019 22:20:08 GMT -5
As a coach who has played PG 4 times, the rates for PG are lower than SATB by about $200-$300 and about half of what Ripken is. So that reasoning for not spending the money isn’t true unless your team has never played either of These 2 tourneys. Maybe you haven’t but the majority of the 11u lives at these places.
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Post by Armcare II on Jun 23, 2019 0:41:56 GMT -5
No MD teams play PG events? My recommendation was based on pitch counts not playing their event. But since we are on the subject. 11u MD teams may not play perfect game but 12u teams like midatlantic red sox/olney/gambrills have all played and represented Maryland well in the past. Also, saying half the coaches wouldn’t agree to doing the guidelines isn’t a blanket statement. Saying ALL coaches wouldn’t agree is a blanket statement. Sounds to me like getting defensive over something has one wonder why so sensitive?
Also, if you throw 30-45 on saturday, you can’t throw 60-80 on sunday so clearly I am not the ignorant one.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Jun 23, 2019 1:31:51 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken Calvert Tide and Olney went and played a perfect game event this spring in VA. Their pitching is stricter than most but the teams that succeed either develop a deep staff or are prepared and know how to manage their 20 pitches and switch. I think more Maryland teams would play perfect game events if there was any played here in this age group.
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Post by manbun on Jun 23, 2019 23:25:47 GMT -5
PG at this age is no more than 20 pitches per day. High school 16-18 is 30 a day to be available to pitch the next. Like I said before it seems like teams stay under 20 or push kids to their max, not the tournament max. Either way it’s challenging. I like they go with pitches, although 20 should be 30. We had a kid throw a CG 60 pitch game this weekend. I know I was impressed but we would never bring him back after that. But kids can throw 3 innings 30 pitches and cooked for tourney. It’s a double edge sword but u know the rules before you get there so plan accordingly. PG is the new movement. If y’all wanna say you are developing for HS carry 15 kids and enjoy PG
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Post by tidecoach on Jun 24, 2019 9:46:23 GMT -5
We, Tide 11U, play PG tournaments every year. Mid-Atlantic Red Sox played in the one we were in this year. That statement about MD teams not playing in those because of pitching restrictions is extremely erroneous and unwarranted in my opinion. If it were true it would be one thing but it isnt. The problem, in my opinion, is that there currently aren't any events in MD that are relatively local. VSC is closer for us but other teams dont' want to go that far for a tournament that the intentionally keep small. I am open to whatever pitching restrictions. We have played with pretty much every pitching restrictions tournaments offer whether it be innings, PG pitch counts, USSSA innings, or Babe Ruth pitch count restrictions. Have never balked at any of them.
The only problem with some pitching restrictions, mostly innings, are, like manbun said, we had a kid go a CG in 60 pitches over the weekend. I would rather do it by pitch counts but again this leads some teams to burn kids and work their numbers higher than normal so they can save others. It is a double edged sword. It comes down to coaches taking care of their pitching staff, plain and simple.
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