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Post by SMH on Sept 29, 2019 16:56:07 GMT -5
John, please enlighten us. Which States/ teams at the 12u level (currently) would you consider competitive? Also- where do you get your information? Do you have a son currently on a 12u team?
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Post by prjr on Sept 29, 2019 17:16:37 GMT -5
Yes John Please enlighten us.
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Post by John Tillonson on Sept 29, 2019 18:03:16 GMT -5
NJ. Axeman, Tri-State Arsenal, Renegades, Legit VA. Stars, Seminoles, Canes PA. Beaver Valley, West Chester Dragons, Keystone
There are more but above are some teams. I do not have a 12 year old but it doesn’t take a nuclear physicist to see when watching different age groups play baseball in maryland. It’s the samething in all sports. Some years are better than others. Why do you think the same high schools don’t win consecutive state titles. Talent comes and goes year to year.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Sept 29, 2019 18:14:22 GMT -5
That’s funny we played NJ Axemen last year and run ruled them thanks for validating that there are quality Maryland baseball teams
West Chester Dragons now asba west Chester? Cause we run emrules them this weekend to
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Post by John tillinson on Sept 29, 2019 18:27:24 GMT -5
ASBA West Chester is an allstar team, not the dragons. Congrats on your win against Axemen. Have you played the other teams? Also, please compare the 11u and 13u teams at the same age of 12U.
Elkridge HCYP Olney Mid Atlantic Severna Park Gambrills Midatlantic Shockers
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Sept 29, 2019 18:37:10 GMT -5
I have played tri state and va stars on my sons old team, and beat the stars before....will the stars be the same with out coach camp as he’s a college coach now?
Tri-state impressive but I guess it depends on what players they bring in that week.... their ace can’t even throw for the remainder of the year due to over use injury.
I’m confused on what you mean by the 11 and 13 u teams....
Bottom line any of the top 5 teams could beat each other on any given day it’s baseball the orioles even get lucky time to time
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Post by prjr on Sept 29, 2019 18:44:34 GMT -5
Exactly-Mr Coach Steve !!!
Your a tool John!
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Post by Lee/Gambrills 12u on Sept 29, 2019 20:18:38 GMT -5
John Tollison, I agree that the teams you listed field quality teams every year. However, we have been able to hang with and beat some of the teams you mentioned over the years: Gambrills 18 / West Chester Dragons NL 8 (10u season) Gambrills 14 / NJ Axemen 4 (11u season) Beaver Valley Red 7 / Gambrills 5 (11u season) (Game was almost tied in last inning)
Tommy’s Olney Pirates team has hung with the VA Stars (Camp) on several occasions, lost to Rip City by one run, beat Mid Atlantic Show, Pittsburgh Outlaws Orange, etc...
I’m sure I could go through some of the other stronger 12u teams and find games vs comparable opponents with similar results.
Sorry, but I respectfully have to disagree with you.
~Lee
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Post by manbun on Sept 29, 2019 22:45:49 GMT -5
I love this message board, never a dull moment. John, to say 12U is not as good as 11 and 13U is silly, as there are plenty of competitive teams in MD. 12U is a tough year as puberty begins to play a big role for a lot of teams (human nature). 13/14U is when everyone catches up and is somewhat a more level playing filled with the cream rising to the top. Gambrills seems to playing some good ball in the fall and (I haven’t seen a game) but seem to be hitting very well. Hats off to them for a strong start to the fall. I don’t see any other teams really being discussed besides Olney and Gambrills. Olney looks to be playing some solid ball, losing to the Bucs, IMO it’s baseball, gonna happen. I know the Tide is off to a slow start. Plagued with injuries (3 broken ankles) but hey that’s baseball. Elkridge looked very good today, hit well, pitched well and played solid defense. I hate the term Fall Ball, it’s dumb, it’s baseball, play the way you want to develop your team, your pitch count your subs. I personally don’t care what the other team is doing, as our team is what is important at the time. People call the games scrimmages which is fine, some take the games in that manner, some don’t. There is some pride in competition. Good luck to everyone this year, and let’s try not to hate but give credit to teams playing well.
PS. Sorry there is no more manbun but I am not changing my name
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Post by MR Blue on Oct 4, 2019 12:53:29 GMT -5
I have umpired for 20 years. High School and summer ball. It is true that certain ages run stronger than others. Happens all the time. I do predominately 11u thru 14u summer ball in HoCo and AACo and see this gap. Let me start by saying the weakest age group currently in MD is 14's and the strongest is 13's. 12 and 11 are close to each other for the 2nd spot, but I would give the nod to 11's by a tad. You look at coaching, talent, fundamentals, and ultimately which teams have the kids to make a smooth trans into High Sch baseball. Of course growth and physical maturity play a part, but as an umpire is easy to see what team will be top heavy w High School players. The top five 13u teams can play with and likely beat any of the 14's. I don't see that with the 11's and 12's, but it would be competitive. So from a non bias view the strength in MD goes 13-11-12-14. Hope this helps, and see you at the field.
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Post by See thru your good eye blue on Oct 4, 2019 13:48:23 GMT -5
That’s dumb and obvious bias to the younger age groups especially current 13u. Mr blue, you must have a kid playing for a team at 13u or you may be coming off as an ump but your really a coach. The top 5 teams have been getting beat by no name teams at 14u in scrimmages and even getting beat at 13u cause they simply haven’t adjusted to the field size yet. Go look at the top 5 13u records right now and they are losing. I would love to see them play WHC-pusheck or the Canes-Scott team. It wouldn’t even be close.
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Post by ? on Oct 4, 2019 14:00:33 GMT -5
How can you compare 11u to 13u or age groups that play on different size fields?
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Post by John Tillonson on Oct 4, 2019 14:17:06 GMT -5
My original point was comparing the different age groups but at the same age. This following example will be for the slower readers or learners. If the current 13u Olney team at 12u played the current Olney 12u team they would blow their socks off. The same can be said for the other 13u organizations I stated above. I would also argue a couple of the top 5 11u teams would currently beat the top 5 12u teams now. It’s not a big deal but watch some high school games. You will see some clbuttes weaker than others. Every age group doesn’t have the same talent.
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Post by MR Blue on Oct 4, 2019 14:20:27 GMT -5
This isn't about comparing teams as they are now, it's about seeing their progress and where they are at those age points. I don't have any kids in those ages, but have done a 13u or 14u game one year and do the same organizations a year later in that age and have thought wow, this was way better or way worse than the last time i was here. Also this is the fall. There should be no talk of winning, losing, etc. Baseball is second for youth in the fall. Spring and summer is the only time you can evaluate. I did a game last week. 11's. One team threw 6 pitchers and lost by i think 3 runs. Other team threw one kid i think 6 and another kid 1. One team is using fall to develop and one using fall to win. The team that threw 6 kids was far better in my eye. just had one of their kids struggle on the mound and had a rough inning, but he got out of it. Final was i think 10-7, with the winning team scoring 8 of their 10 runs in one inning. Fall can't be used as a barometer.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Oct 4, 2019 19:17:22 GMT -5
While some teams strictly use fall as a development piece, and only play round robins here and there, you can’t say teams aren’t playing to Win. In the example of throwing 1 kid an inning that’s purely developmental.
But any time a team enters a tournament you aren’t playing to develop, you use practice for that. Tournaments are played to win.
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