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Post by thegrimreaper on Oct 25, 2019 7:51:37 GMT -5
What are everyone's thoughts on the below quote from Dr. Glenn Fleisig, Research Director at the American Sports Medicine Institute and works with USA Baseball and USA Pitch Smart.
Glenn Fleisig, PhD:
Research that takes place out in the field has looked at things such as how much pitching is related to who gets hurt—we’re talking about pitch counts, innings limits, what types of pitches people throw, do they throw when they’re fatigued, and also do they pitch on multiple teams. Our research at ASMI and elsewhere has shown one definite, number one factor for which kids get hurt and which kids don’t, and that one factor is overuse.
Particularly, the research has shown that kids who pitch more than 100 innings in competition during a calendar year, whether that’s for one team or multiple teams, the kids who pitch more than 100 innings in a calendar year are much more likely to have a serious elbow or shoulder injury leading to surgery than those who don’t.
So, we certainly do not want kids pitching more than 100 innings in a year. If we look into it at a game-by-game basis, the research has shown that pitch counts is the ideal way to keep track and monitor how much people are pitching and therefore their risk of getting hurt.
I would love for teams to post their 2019 Spring and 2019 Fall statistics, specifically # of innings pitched and # of pitches thrown. Lets see who uses their pitchers properly, who doesn't, and can truly say they are about development.
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Post by Numbers on Oct 25, 2019 21:04:41 GMT -5
No kid should pitch 100 innings in a year
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Post by R. Bosken on Oct 26, 2019 20:20:59 GMT -5
What would be the max innings pitched per calendar year for pitchers in the following age groups? 100 is obviously out of control and overuse, but what would be the cutoff?
9u, 10u, 11u, 12u, 13u, and 14u. Basically all pre-HS age.
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Post by oldtimer on Oct 27, 2019 14:46:32 GMT -5
Kids are all in HS but looked at our teams prior stats and most any kid pitched in a year( spring and fall combined ) was 75 innings. The kid that threw the 75 had low pitch counts and the other kids( and in other years the kid who threw the 75) threw well under that.
100 seems like a high number especially in youth baseball where I suspect pitches per inning are higher.
Many variables but even if you watch a kids innings you run risk of injury if let a kid throw too many pitches in one game.
Also risky if a kid pitches and catches a lot
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Post by mashradar on Jan 6, 2020 13:07:52 GMT -5
I think I'd be more inclined to hear about pitch counts than innings pitched. My son averaged 2-4 fewer P/IP than his other rotation mates, so while he pitched about 20 total innings more than the #2 IP kid pitched, he only had about 100 more pitches total for the year. So I would wonder if they would determine a total pitch count for the year over the 75/85/etc innings count you usually see.
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Post by oldtimer on Jan 8, 2020 20:56:02 GMT -5
I may have asked this question before and I will ask again. If the goal is to prepare kids for high school baseball then why is there such an emphasis on tournaments and not league play. How is playing 5 games in 2 days preparing kids for high school when they will play 2-3 games a week.
Too bad Metro folded years ago- in my opinion 3-4 quality league games a week would be much better than a tournament and a couple glorified scrimmages.
Physically playing for a couple hours 4-5 times a week has to be better in arms than playing 3 games in a day.
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Post by Carroll Rebels on Jan 9, 2020 6:59:41 GMT -5
For us the tournaments will allow more players to pitch. In league play last year it was always the same top pitchers because they were always rested. This allows new pitchers to develop. And then if some one doesn’t pitch, or we have a short Sunday, that’s where we use the scrimmage. Another added benefit is the parents aren’t racing from school to games all over the place. This was a common complaint from our parents. Now during the week it’s just practice close by.
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Post by Too many on Aug 10, 2020 18:34:21 GMT -5
Is 200+ over 3 days healthy for 10U with 130 in B2B games......Asking for a friend.
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Post by Pitch Count on Aug 10, 2020 19:42:35 GMT -5
You can worry about innings and most people will worry about pitch counts and fatigue. 20 plus pitching with runners on is way more taxing. May only be a 1 inning game for that kid. You also have to factor in how much time is in between innings. A short 123 inning is a little more taxing on the pitcher, rather than a 5 or 6 at bat for the offense team. Lot of kids are different, some get stronger as they go, some come out the gate not pacing themselves at all. They are kids and learning what works for them and it’s the coaches job to keep that in prospective and learn their players. I doubt many kids got to 100 innings this year with the Covid season but most will probably have a bigger fall season than usual since football is no go in most areas. I don’t believe there is a right or wrong method, it’s know your players, understand how they train and error on the side of caution over Wins.
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Post by Common Sense on Aug 11, 2020 8:50:34 GMT -5
Is 200+ over 3 days healthy for 10U with 130 in B2B games......Asking for a friend. Yes those pitch counts are too much for a 10U pitcher. here are some standards for pitch counts for different ages. www.littleleague.org/playing-rules/pitch-count/other organizations and experts have similar guidelines that you can find online. |
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Post by Pitch Count 101 on Sept 12, 2020 13:51:58 GMT -5
Is 200+ over 3 days healthy for 10U with 130 in B2B games......Asking for a friend. Yes those pitch counts are too much for a 10U pitcher. here are some standards for pitch counts for different ages. www.littleleague.org/playing-rules/pitch-count/other organizations and experts have similar guidelines that you can find online. Did someone say pitch counts |
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Post by Pitcher only on Sept 12, 2020 14:34:15 GMT -5
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What are you thinking?
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Post by What are you thinking? on Sept 12, 2020 20:39:56 GMT -5
No way I’m clicking on a link from this site. You want summarize what’s on there Chief? |
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Post by Captain on Sept 12, 2020 21:30:51 GMT -5
No way I’m clicking on a link from this site. You want summarize what’s on there Chief? . Sure It’s a pitching chart Boss |
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