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Post by Shocked on Nov 4, 2019 9:15:19 GMT -5
What’s going on with some of the 12u teams this fall? Seems like some of the teams that were top tier teams from 8u-11u, are no longer power house teams. Going from being a top tier A team, to a team that is now loosing to what was previously MABA B teams. Is this the norm for teams at the 12u season? I really though that the separation of teams, really started at 13-14u? If I’m wrong just let me know. And I know people will say it’s fall, teams are trying to get work. But no one plays to loose, we all have the inner beast to win.
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Post by my observations... on Nov 4, 2019 13:54:13 GMT -5
hey "Shocked"
A lot of shuffling after the 11u season. Some teams that were strong last season got stronger and a handful of strong teams from last season lost key players and had a major shift for the worse. Olney Pirates added a few players and got stronger, and it looks like API & Gambrills picked up a several new players. I heard Tide had a ton of injuries to key players, so their fall was shot. MA Red Sox looked great when I saw them and so did the Olney Bucs. I did see that Lake Shore lost a football score like game to Severnal Park yestersday. That is shocking. Acording to GC, look like their pitching got shelled. SP lost key players to API too, so not sure what happened there. LS also played tight games vs South River, which traditionally is a CBA team. SO it looks like they have declined or lost talent.
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Post by Observersations2 on Nov 5, 2019 10:08:28 GMT -5
Well thanks for the reply, I just thought the most teams didn’t have drastic down or up swings til the 13-14u years when showcase teams start, kids go to high school, those type of things.
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Post by Mac on Nov 5, 2019 13:55:36 GMT -5
At age 12 puberty has hit for some and not for others. This can make a huge difference. Throwing from 50 at 10 and 11 are completely different than throwing from 50 after you've started to develop. Then 13u is completely different on 60/90.
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Post by Mic on Nov 5, 2019 14:31:36 GMT -5
At age 12 puberty has hit for some and not for others. This can make a huge difference. Throwing from 50 at 10 and 11 are completely different than throwing from 50 after you've started to develop. Then 13u is completely different on 60/90. Yeah, the variance in size you start to see at the 12u age level can look like Altuve standing next to Judge at times! LOL |
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Post by Baseballgoddess on Nov 5, 2019 23:11:29 GMT -5
Hi Steve
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Post by Perc on Nov 6, 2019 9:05:14 GMT -5
API lost to South River
API tied Gambrills
Gambrills beat GORC by 1 run
It’s the Fall. Only certain teams are willing to overthrow 12 yr olds in Fall games. Some choose to develop for the Spring.
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Post by Rant on Nov 6, 2019 10:12:11 GMT -5
Develop for the spring? That’s True loser mentality. Those that develop understand that everything matters because winning = doing the little things right from day one aka real development. no one feels good about losing, then using the excuse it’s about development. Coaches that say that aren’t fooling these kids. You may fool parents that don’t know better but not the kids. They know why they lost. These are the same guys that lose games when making the jump in age groups then do nothing about it in practice except scrimmage each other or play intrasquads. I’m tired of this excuse, and then check out gamechanger and you consistently throw the same guys over and over again. The guy on another thread made a great point about overuse and innings pitched. In my opinion, (I’m an Ortho and have kids play in SoMD) If you coach 14u and below and have anyone on your team that threw over 60-75 innings in the Spring plus fall then you are a problem coach. Then they say development development development. BS. Rant over
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Post by Dave Moser on Nov 6, 2019 12:41:42 GMT -5
Develop for the spring? That’s True loser mentality. Those that develop understand that everything matters because winning = doing the little things right from day one aka real development. no one feels good about losing, then using the excuse it’s about development. Coaches that say that aren’t fooling these kids. You may fool parents that don’t know better but not the kids. They know why they lost. These are the same guys that lose games when making the jump in age groups then do nothing about it in practice except scrimmage each other or play intrasquads. I’m tired of this excuse, and then check out gamechanger and you consistently throw the same guys over and over again. The guy on another thread made a great point about overuse and innings pitched. In my opinion, (I’m an Ortho and have kids play in SoMD) If you coach 14u and below and have anyone on your team that threw over 60-75 innings in the Spring plus fall then you are a problem coach. Then they say development development development. BS. Rant over Please enlighten us Ortho, where the science is behind hour 60-75 innings? We had 2 pitchers throw 61 and 64 innings between the spring and fall and according to your statement we would be problem coaches. I like to believe it’s the pitches thrown vs innings. I would chalk up our kids pitchers per inning over a lot of teams. Also how many games a year are you basing the number of 60-75 innings. If your kid plays a CBA schedule of 15-20 games a season, that’s a less than a lot of teams play in a year. |
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Post by Youve been enlightned on Nov 6, 2019 13:00:13 GMT -5
100 innings a year is the limit per USA baseball guidelines, which comes directly from doctors with extensive research in elbow and shoulder injuries. I have seen several pitchers at the youth level with elbow issues well under 100. 100 was the MAX. I operated on a boy from SoMD this past winter that was a freshman in HS that had been hitting 70 innings per year since age 11. Everyone says pitch count matters, but it isn't everything. 75, IMO, is the max and never should be taken over that. Your meaning to tell me that you have pitchers that through 61-64 innings per spring and fall but their pitches are low? Stop lying to yourself and your parents. A team can easily play 60-70 games, throw 7-9 kids and make those numbers happen. How many more games do you need after 50 per season anyway? Attend a USA baseball workshop and you will see the data and research behind innings pitched vs pitches thrown. In fact, there is a free workshop this weekend at the Washington Nationals youth academy. Ill post info below. A good buddy of mine is speaking at the seminar and it will be informative. USA Baseball Coaches Clinic this Saturday (November 9th) from 9:00 am - 12:00 pm at the Washington Nationals Youth Baseball Academy. Registration link is here www.sportdev.org/USAB/Store/Event_Display.aspx?EventKey=CCDC110919&WebsiteKey=f50aacb2-a59e-4e43-8f67-29f48a308a9e |
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Post by Dave Moser on Nov 6, 2019 13:40:47 GMT -5
So Ortho, your original statement should have said over 75 inning since that is what you consider the max. We don’t have to lie to our parents because the stats are available to them. Our pitches per inning ranged from 12.9 to 17.9 and we threw a total of 9 pitchers in the Spring. Thanks for enlightening me, but we can agree to disagree.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Nov 6, 2019 14:55:06 GMT -5
So I’m confused, at first 60-75 innings was a bad coach, now you say 75. Which is it? Some kids average 20-22 pitches a inning and throw 50, but Dave does have kids that average very low, below the average goal of 15 per inning... so mike throws 59 innings at 20 pitches per inning, that 1,180 pitches but Garry throws 75 innings at 14.8 that’s 1,110 so he actually threw less. I think people need to stop looking at just pitch count. It’s pitch count once your pitcher has hit fatigue. 1 pitch at fatigue equals 4 pitches as to stress on the muscles of the arm.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Nov 6, 2019 14:57:30 GMT -5
If this is for me I stamp what I have to say, anyone who knows me should know that. |
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