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Post by Concerned Parent on Oct 5, 2020 11:44:06 GMT -5
I know this has been covered several times but my son plays on a 10u travel team (don't need to name teams). I am curious if its normal that my son did not play the entire weekend in a tournament. In addition, my son is a pitcher in my mind but isn't be given a chance. I understand my son struggles hitting but why take him on your team if you didn't intend to play him. We played 5 games this weekend which leads me to me next question. We had 3 kids who exceeded 100 pitches in 2 days, one had excess of 130 and one threw almost 100 in one game. How do other coaches handle pitch count? What is the normal weekend limit? I feel like my son could help keep these numbers be more reasonable and get additional playing time at the same time. Before I approach the coach I wanted to get some input for others.
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Post by Coach on Oct 5, 2020 12:08:01 GMT -5
Just to be clear, your son did not play in any game (field or bat)? How many boys are on the team? Here are the Pitch Smart guidelines that coaches should be following: www.mlb.com/pitch-smart/pitching-guidelines/ages-9-12A 10 year old pitcher could throw 20 pitches on day 1 and come back and throw 75 pitches on day 2. 100+ would be considered overuse based on these guidelines. In my opinion, 130+ just proves that the coach only cares about winning and does not care about the health and future (development) of the players. I would say that not playing at all is not normal and you should certainly begin the process of finding a new team. |
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Post by Concerned Parent on Oct 5, 2020 13:39:09 GMT -5
Sorry- the coach only batted 9 kids. My child did not play in the field nor bat the entire weekend.
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Post by Coach on Oct 5, 2020 13:57:20 GMT -5
That's not normal at all. I'm buttuming this is a new team for you, but is it a brand new team? If it is a brand new team that just formed and it is the coach's first season, I would have the conversation with him to see what his thoughts are and if that is how he plans to manage touranments moving forward. If so, I would start looking for a new team. Your coach should probably not be coaching boys under 13U.
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Post by OpenYourEyez on Oct 5, 2020 14:42:02 GMT -5
Sorry- the coach only batted 9 kids. My child did not play in the field nor bat the entire weekend. Might be time to open your eyeZ. If your kid did not play all weekend , the problem is right in front of you. If they batted 9 and he did not bat , there’s the problem. The problem is you and your child. If this weekend didn’t open your eyeZ , you’re blind. Your child does not belong on the team. He’s there for a money grab. On ANY TEAM, if your kid is GOOD ENOUGH he will play. If your kid DOES NOT PLAY, he is not good enough. Like you said “ IN YOUR MIND” he’s a pitcher. Be a good parent and remove your child from this team and put him where he belongs. Please don’t say he belongs there. Because if he did , he would’ve played. |
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Post by Bat 9! on Oct 5, 2020 14:56:25 GMT -5
Youth teams that bat 9 and say they are about development are lying to themselves, parents, and players. 50 percent of the teams in the quarters at the WWBA underclbutt world championships didn't even bat of 9 and that is showcase baseball. Higher percentage at sophomore WWBA's batted 10 or more in the semifinals.
Batting 9 is a clear message that a coach values winning over development and has an ego problem. The only time a coach should bat 9 is in HS regular season game play, college, or professional baseball or if the coach is paid based on success.
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Post by Concerned Parent Guest on Oct 5, 2020 15:10:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses, definitely some mixed responses. This is the second year for this team but my son's first year on the team. I am confused with the comment that my son should not be on the team since he made the team, I would think he would play at least some. Unfortunately, my kid was not the only kid who didn't play but its good to know that this is not typically the norm.
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Post by John P. on Oct 5, 2020 15:21:59 GMT -5
No way is it the norm and in no way shape or form acceptable from 14u and under. Youth coaches should be ashamed of themselves for only batting nine and then trying to justify it. I bet this team has multiple parent-coaches.
15u,16u, 17u and 18u questionable but I can see it happening in bracket play at tournaments. As mentioned above, even the best teams in the country at those age groups in the best tournament in the world don't bat 9.
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Post by Word on Oct 6, 2020 8:10:15 GMT -5
If a 10U coach isn't batting everyone in pool play games (except in rare circumstances), they are not a good coach.
If your kid didn't play at all this weekend, find a new team SOON.
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Post by Daddy ball on Oct 6, 2020 8:30:53 GMT -5
So there’s a few things I wanted to hit on.
1- I ran into the pitch count before. Seems like a story that never ends. This is unacceptable as we all have technology now💻. What ever game scoring system you use it tells you the kids pitch count. I think tournaments need to take this option to coaches away. Yes the coach is a big A-$-$ for doing this but why don’t we talk about the tournaments. Why don’t tournaments put a pitch limit in? Perfect game does it the best.
2- I do not agree that any kid sits the bench all weekend. I personally don’t believe that just because you pay you play but kids don’t get better sitting on the bench all weekend.
3- Batting 9, if the tournament allows free defensive subs and you can sub hitters, I have no issue with it on Sundays come 11-12u in national tournaments but locals, the coach needs to get over himself.
Your story reminds me a lot of a former power house team from 8-11u. That said team is now the bottom of the barrel and may not even have a team this year at 13u per the hot stove rumor mill.
If I was you I would find a new team even if that means playing a year of rec ball.
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Post by Guest on Oct 6, 2020 12:31:09 GMT -5
No way is it the norm and in no way shape or form acceptable from 14u and under. Youth coaches should be ashamed of themselves for only batting nine and then trying to justify it. I bet this team has multiple parent-coaches. 15u,16u, 17u and 18u questionable but I can see it happening in bracket play at tournaments. As mentioned above, even the best teams in the country at those age groups in the best tournament in the world don't bat 9. |
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Post by Outsider looking in.. on Oct 6, 2020 13:13:53 GMT -5
If you are looking for guaranteed playing time at 10U, that’s what rec ball is for. The problem is the over saturation over “travel ball”. If you want your kid to get all the playing time and be a star, then maybe you should think about changing teams. Does he get less reps in practice? Does he bat in scrimmages? What about like regular season games? Is the tournament the only time he has not gotten playing time?
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Post by Wrong on Oct 6, 2020 13:29:38 GMT -5
If you are looking for guaranteed playing time at 10U, that’s what rec ball is for. The problem is the over saturation over “travel ball”. If you want your kid to get all the playing time and be a star, then maybe you should think about changing teams. Does he get less reps in practice? Does he bat in scrimmages? What about like regular season games? Is the tournament the only time he has not gotten playing time? Its 10u baseball! It doesn't matter what competition is or the level of 10u baseball. It is never acceptable for a coach to not bat the entire roster at this age group. Youth baseball is the sampling age for the sport. Despite the level of play, kids at this age are still determining whether or not they enjoy the sport. Coaches that bat 9 on championship day are the same guys that never played past middle school and are living their childhood dreams through their children. It's the same ones that throw a kid 30-50 pitches on saturday, then throw them again the next day for another 40-70 pitches. kids at this age group should be playing multiple positions, always batting, and focusing on fundamentals at practices rather than looking to compete in a tournament every weekend. |
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Post by truthbetold on Oct 6, 2020 13:49:47 GMT -5
I can say that travel baseball is a competitive environment and should be taken so. If it's not go to Florida or go to Georgia and play their 10u teams and tell me how good little Johnny is. The problem is not with the kids, it's with the parents flawed judgment of how good their kids is. Baseball is a game of failure and rebuilding all at the same time at this age. Not getting into pitch counts or batting 9 in tournaments. More so getting into the flawed reality of talent and expectations by the parents. I am not saying don't be concerned about your children but just be honest with their still level.
Signed:. Middle school all star
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Post by Outsider looking in... on Oct 6, 2020 13:56:48 GMT -5
Replying to “Wrong”: you must be in this position since you immediately came out and started attacking a coach that you didn’t even know. You’re painting broad strokes probably based off your past experiences. The problem is parent expectations. I would like to know if the coach payed out his plan prior to the season? Did he make it clear that this is what would happen during tournaments? Did he set the expectations ahead of time? Has this parent approached the coach? The person said that his kid played on a different travel team last year, so why did he leave that team? What was his playing time there? Is this new team different? Better? How does the coaching compare?
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