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Post by Enlightener on May 8, 2019 11:54:07 GMT -5
I'm sure Coach Sheets would not be wild about needing to teach your son how to bunt as a Freshman in HS. So if we're not supporting at 11u, when would be the age to start teaching how to do it? 12u?
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Post by DHicks on May 8, 2019 12:05:10 GMT -5
I'm sure Coach Sheets would not be wild about needing to teach your son how to bunt as a Freshman in HS. So if we're not supporting at 11u, when would be the age to start teaching how to do it? 12u? Teaching and employing it are two different things. My son can bunt. My argument is it should be used appropriately. There is a time and place for it. Abusing it just to win games is a sign of a transactional coach who is only interested in wins and losses and will use the "development" excuse. A transformative coach will use it as a tool to teach players on the team about sacrifice and humility, player development, and teaching details of the game. If you want to see the difference, watch for the reaction of the coach after a failed bunt attempt. It is important to remember that the best source of feedback are games. Therefore, using the bunt should be used with caution. We all know the difference between moving runners over and sacrificing vs. bunting over and over again to take advantage of an defensive-inferior team. |
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Post by Tide Dad on May 8, 2019 12:36:52 GMT -5
Think about this. What is your main goal? If it’s to get your player to the next level, and for 11u coaches that level would be HS then what is your goal by bunting kids. Please let a HS coach chime in and say they have ever had kids bunt during their HS tryouts or even soon after. It may be a strategy move to win at HS, college, and even MLB. But every time you bunt a player you decrease his chance of making that HS team. But you do quite possibly improve your chances of winning that particular 11u baseball game played God knows where on a Wednesday night in May. “Hey fellas, welcome to the tryouts for Joe Schmo HS today. After we run the 60, take ground balls and fly balls, throw for arm strength, and see who can actually hit, we will all convene over here at the end of this tryout to see who can get a Sac Bunt down perfectly.” Keep bunting to win those 11u games, and I even bet your teams parents think you are an amazing coach teaching the “right way” to play the game. Right up until their kid gets cut at age 14. I agree with your Crash, the main goal is to teach these boys the game of Baseball...Why would a HS coach want to spend time on bunting during practice? If you ask me if your boy is playing HS ball, then he should already know how to bunt so when that situation comes up, the coach can count on him to get the ball down, do his job and score a run or move a guy into scoring position... and where do you learn the game?  playing 10u, 11u and 12u ball! So stop with all this complaining about bunting, learn to defend it and move on! And yea, I do think we have amazing coaches, they teach our kids that this game is bigger than them, no individual is greater than the team, WE not ME! |
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Post by Bunting on May 8, 2019 12:38:04 GMT -5
Learned the game from some of the best coaches in MD, played college ball, Eddie Brooks league... bunt away. If you're complaining about it, teach bunt defense.
If I'm coaching high school ball, I want athletic kids that can do a bit of everything, including bunting. I also want a well-rounded defense that can defend the bunt.
When I'm coaching third, if a team continuously plays their 3B back, expect a bunt. We teach it, practice it, and employ it. Left-handed pitchers... immobile pitchers. We're taking advantage. We also move our 3B up when it's a bunt situation. We wheel when needed.
Baseball is a multi-faceted game, which makes it incredibly unique AND difficult to teach. Lots of tools to sharpen. And the best teams take the time to sharpen said tools.
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Post by manbun on May 8, 2019 12:44:02 GMT -5
Ok so in a previous thread about 11U bunting people said it will never work in HS. Now it’s ok in HS for situational use but at 11U you are not developing. To each their own, if you don’t like bunting, play for a team that doesn’t bunt. If you can’t defend the bunt, don’t complain about a team that took advantage of your weakness. Many people change teams until they find the right fit or get what they want out of the team, nothing wrong with that. I just find it funny how opinions changed between 2 different threads talking about bunting. I am glad I poured some gas on the fire because it always helps we a healthy debate. #buntentirelineupuntiltheygetanout
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Post by Conundrum for the FBI on May 8, 2019 12:52:29 GMT -5
So how do you win this argument exactly?
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Post by Tide Dad on May 8, 2019 13:08:45 GMT -5
You stop talking $%*& about teams and beat them on the Diamond... seriously, I feel safe in saying that no one from us has ever posted anything negative about a team or coaching staff or the way they coach... worry about your team and your kids, I know our kids are well taken care of and are learning from good men.
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Post by manbun on May 8, 2019 13:31:26 GMT -5
So how do you win this argument exactly? It’s just a healthy debate. There is no right or wrong to bunting, just peoples opinion. This is a message board forum for discussion about baseball |
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Post by oldtimer on May 8, 2019 13:37:35 GMT -5
Bunting is much easier to defend on the big field.
For those who say “just learn to defend it” fine .
But most 11u teams practice 1 or 2 days a week during season.
Teams at this age generally still have kids play diffferent positions
And most pitch. So how much practice time are you
Going to devote to this? And take away from other things?
With 70 foot bases best defense is having athletic kids at pitcher and the corners(generally your more athletic kids play up the middle.
Most(travel) coaches I know do not bunt often
For the simple reason that they want their kids to hit. Most will bunt occasionally to sacrifice or with a fast kid at the plate .
Right or wrong the vast majority of coaches/ parents believe if you bunt more than a couple times a game it is excessive and bordering on unsportsmanlike .
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Post by prjr on May 8, 2019 16:45:56 GMT -5
Bunting and bunting over 15 times in a single game
is the problem!!!
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Post by manbun on May 8, 2019 19:34:31 GMT -5
Bunting and bunting over 15 times in a single game is the problem!!! Pitch count should be pretty low with 15 bunts and no where close to 100 pitches |
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on May 8, 2019 19:36:01 GMT -5
😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on May 8, 2019 19:36:42 GMT -5
PRJR—— who bunted 15 times in one game?
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Post by manbun on May 8, 2019 20:07:45 GMT -5
Tide bunted 6 times against the Crush in a 11inning game. When it goes to international rules with runner at 2nd and you are the home team, you bunt him to 3rd and bunt to score him. That’s almost standard baseball in that situation
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Post by Conundrum for the FBI on May 8, 2019 20:34:27 GMT -5
I don’t see it as a problem personally, certainly do not see poor sportsmanship here.
Of course they are trying to win, and it is successful. I tip my hat in respect, it’s within the rules and actually generally good baseball.
That teams can’t stop it is the problem on here, obviously. I have experienced similar frustration, and run across strong bunting teams.
Effective bunting takes practice, especially against top pitchers. they have worked hard to have that offensive advantage, by investing their valuable practice time. Teams that want to beat bunting teams will invest valuable practice time to stop their bunting game. Just like well coached teams typically work hard at controlling the opposition’s running game.
Once you can turn 2/3 of their bunts into outs they won’t bunt 15 times.
Defense wins games, even at 11u.
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playing 10u, 11u and 12u ball!