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Post by oldtimer on Aug 2, 2018 16:25:04 GMT -5
I have said it several times on the board already. If leagues and tournaments had pitch counts this wouldn’t be an issue. So how about it Annapolis open, stars and strikes,Severn ,usssa central md, MABA,Olney, SATB,MCBA,Ripken Aberdeen and the rest of you IMPLEMENT PITCH COUNTS Don’t want to hear the excuses if a rec league can make it work Travel baseball and the 10,000 to 20,000 dollar budget these teams have can make it too.
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Post by loudcoachsteve on Aug 2, 2018 16:36:36 GMT -5
Oldtimer: I couldn't agree more. Will it make it more challenging when a kid comes in throws 40 on Saturday and can't throw Sunday yes, would more kids avoid surgery yes.
Orthopedic surgeons are making a killing off dumb coaches.
I see so many tournaments go by innings pitched. I don't feel this is fair when 1 pitch is an Inning. What most coaches don't come to realize is what muscle failure is. When a kid hits it 1 pitch equals 4 to. Kids arm.
I also don't think it's fair a kid throws 30 pitches Saturday and can't pitch Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 16:42:01 GMT -5
I think this is the first time I'll agree with Loudcoachsteve. Also seems that Baseballdad was called out and schooled. That amount of pitches by those kids in 4 days is stupid. You wouldn't even see Clayton kershaw throw that in the World Series for Christ sake.
Diamondpros seem to of absused the crap out of 10year olds for a trophy. Pat yourself on the back and hopefully those kids could lift their arm to rIse their plastic trophys. Great job coaches. (Maybe you will get a raise and can afford to get that patchy a$$ beard trimmed and uniforms that look like a baseball player and not a yo boy with baggy pants. )
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Post by DHicks on Aug 2, 2018 16:49:16 GMT -5
Here was the pitch count rules that were used at a PG event we/MD Royals attended. I thought they were good. If you want to be successful in the event then teams better bring pitching.
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Post by carolinadpdad on Aug 3, 2018 11:33:24 GMT -5
I think this is the first time I'll agree with Loudcoachsteve. Also seems that Baseballdad was called out and schooled. That amount of pitches by those kids in 4 days is stupid. You wouldn't even see Clayton kershaw throw that in the World Series for Christ sake. Diamondpros seem to of absused the crap out of 10year olds for a trophy. Pat yourself on the back and hopefully those kids could lift their arm to rIse their plastic trophys. Great job coaches. (Maybe you will get a raise and can afford to get that patchy a$$ beard trimmed and uniforms that look like a baseball player and not a yo boy with baggy pants. ) I am sticking up for our team and coaches I am a parent and have proud to have my son play for this staff for 3 years. Everyone has opinions as to pitch counts and the standardization of rules to take out discretion of coaches. If it happens so be it. A lot of care has gone into protecting our players and quite frankly I have seen some of the coaching from other staffs and would not trade this one for anyone 12u and below. 10 games in 5 days (not 4) made for a challenge. I am confident our coaches will make adjustments as they have in prior seasons. The goal of our organization has always been to not develop the player not as the best 10 year old but to make sure they are the best player when they continue their baseball journey into highschool and beyond. As an aside comparing 10 year olds to MLB players is not accurate. You discount typical 30 plus warm up pitches for MLB starter and the bull pen sessions of 50 plus pitches. With respect to name calling, dissing of uniforms, I would hope that you would have more clbutt than that. Problems with coaches can be dealt with coaches. Please leave the kids out of it.
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Post by oldtimer on Aug 4, 2018 13:31:35 GMT -5
True ,not fair to treat 10 year olds and mlb players the same. Mlb players bodies are developed and are under care or trainers and doctors. Starting pitchers throw 85 to 110 pitches every five days with a bullpen in between. Relievers throw more frequently but overall throw less pitches. On days they don’t pitch/throw a pen they are not catching ,playing shortstop or making throws from the OF.
To make an argument a 10 year old should be able to throw more than a mlb player is insane. If a team throws 4 kids 198-247 pitches in a week how can you say a lot of care is put into the kids? You don’t develop a kid by throwing him 200 plus pitches in a week at 10. Doesn’t take a D1 player or pro to figure that it.
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Post by Speculating Spectator on Aug 6, 2018 12:46:14 GMT -5
A friend asked me to read this post. Initially, he was curious about my opinion regarding pitch counts. He said he places value in my opinion because he’s aware of my experience with baseball, with people, and my day to day affairs, so I agreed to look at it. We discussed it and he’s had a change of heart. Volumes can exist between the lines. He just wasn’t looking.
I don’t believe this post has anything to do with pitch counts or genuine concern of any kind.
You asked for opinions, loud. I’ll give you mine. For starters, don’t be so quick to judge baseball dad. Anonymity is not always a form of hiding. In this case, it reflects tact and good judgement. He’s pointing out a fact of the matter in a forum that you chose, an open one that sends a counter-productive message to the kids. In case that last statement went over your head, I will explain it later in the post. As far as baseball dad being “schooled” Mr. god, I’m sure he simply took a position above responding to such statements. That’s an example of having clbutt as opposed to being in clbutt. However, school is now in session so pay attention.
As far as the Champs are concerned, I don’t know them, so I really can’t speak about them definitively. Based on the way you chose to address your so-called concern, loud, you obviously can’t either. I can only speculate using the information I read and what I was told by my friend in your camp. My guess is that the first couple of days got away from them, they got caught up in things, and eventually found themselves in a tough situation. The response from one of the dads, Carolinadpdad, which seems genuine enough, indicates this isn’t an on-going issue. In fact, it may be that they realized their mistakes long before your post, addressed it with each other and will try to learn from it moving forward. I do appreciate that they don’t seem to feel the need to jump down in the mud with you.
By the way, congratulations Diamond Pros. Sounds like you were the better team. Although I am guessing that you would have taken steps to avoid overdoing the pitch counts in the future even without this bellowing post, perhaps it was a blessing in disguise for coach loud. If your guys were able to knock his team out even after you “abused the crap out of ” your pitchers, I shudder to think of the embarrbuttment that may have been inflicted upon loud, had your young men been at full strength! Just to clarify, I am not implying that anyone would think you would purposefully embarrbutt loud, or anyone else. I am just speculating, based on his behavior here, that loud might see it that way.
I can’t help but question your motives, loud. Again, I’m just speculating. I don’t know you any more than I know The Champs. I’m sure this isn’t the first time a team has gone overboard with the pitch counts. Have you ever filed a complaint after winning? If you really had a genuine concern about the boys, would we be here right now? Your job coaching these young men goes far beyond teaching the fundamentals of baseball. Is this teaching them the proper way to react to your so-called concerns; get on social media and start publicly criticizing, name calling and encouraging the same? It would have been far more appropriate to contact them directly and voice your concerns in a professional, respectful manner. Then, if you don’t agree with how they respond, you can take it a step further, perhaps by contacting the person(s) in charge of the tournament, league(s), etc. It’s interesting that you’re implying baseball dad is displaying cowardice. Little 10-year old bullies that run around in school bad-mouthing other kids to groups use their real names too, loud. They are afraid to address things privately, so they put it out there to gain support from the crowd, generating the mob, and the mentality that goes along with it, for which they are the self-proclaimed leader through their words and/or actions. They hide in plain sight. They know they will only get responses from the followers. They learn, early on, that it’s human nature to avoid confrontation in meaningless situations, or in situations where the “loud” one making all the noise is just using the current topic as an excuse to promote his real, hidden agenda, so opposing voices will be scarce. Typically, there is a more deep-rooted issue than what they are babbling about.
I am “hiding” out of respect for my friend. But it doesn’t really matter, does it? It doesn’t matter who baseball dad is. None of those numbers matter because this isn’t really about pitch counts, is it loud? It isn’t about any concern and has nothing to do with these boys. It’s about you.
The greatest champions will be the first to credit past failures. It’s a lot more fun to win but there’s a lot of value to be gained after losing, if you are experienced enough and mature enough to realize that. Most 10-year olds aren’t. That’s why we need coaches to properly guide them. We expect it. We take it for granted. Unfortunately, that’s not always the case. I do agree with your statements that coaches should educate themselves and be good role models. You should learn to take your own advice.
You seem to be dealing with some insecurity issues, loud. It’s evident throughout the post. You start off with the ridiculous statement, “I am looking for opinions”. Really? I saw the pitch counts. They were too high. That’s blatantly obvious to everyone, including the Champs’ staff. But you already knew that, didn’t you loud? But you needed an excuse, a way in to promote your real agenda. You claimed to be interested in what others think but what you really wanted was for other people to jump on your public bashing bandwagon because you simply don’t have it in you to tip your hat to the Champs, learn from your own mistakes that undoubtedly contributed to your loss, and move on. Then you could’ve addressed your so-called concerns properly and not sacrifice your boys’ opportunity to learn and grow from the experience. It’s interesting how you convinced yourself that you gave the Champs props and then there’s that word “but” afterward. You weren’t looking for opinions. You were looking for vindication.
I also find it interesting, and telling, that you claim to be concerned about the boys’ arms and that their well-being is your primary concern, and yet, we’ve learned so much about you. You were the “victim” of overuse and lost your scholarship. You then restated your victim status. As I read on, I gave points for your dramatic writing skills, especially when you were backhand insulting the Champs. You played HIGH level ball your whole life until you fell to injury. I am sure we are all very proud of your performance in Lowell. And hey, did you ever end up getting that “iron horse award”? The rebound humility is quite touching, where you acknowledge that you don’t know Jack. It’s a great lead in to how hard you throw. Again, very impressive. You then feel the need to come at baseball dad again. Love the free beer tactic. What a nice guy. And thanks for the reminder. I have a close friend who’s an orthopedic surgeon. I’ll have him send a thank you card to the Champs’ coaches. There seems to be a pattern here, loud; lots of little pieces and they all fit together quite nicely. I have my suspicions about you, loud, but will leave the diagnosis to your therapist. I believe the generic term is sore loser. In the meantime, maybe you could nurse your own personal shortcomings without stepping on other people’s heads.
I appreciate the position taken by Carolinadpdad and guess that the reason we haven’t heard from any of the other parents is because they simply don’t feel the need to respond. They know you are out of line because they know their coaches. I am also guessing that, regardless of what people around you say to your face and how much they “yes” you, privately or in a forum such as this, they have come to know you and expect this type of behavior. My friend and his significant other both said that, should they happen to be there if you brought this up, they would go along with you just to silence you. Perhaps there are reasons for this behavior. Perhaps you weren’t taught properly when you were a child. Perhaps you could spend less time with your amateur evaluations of those around you, engage in self-reflection, and start setting a better example for those kids, at least when it comes to how to properly handle such matters as the one you claim exists here.
In layman’s terms, you lost. Get over it.
Again, I’m just speculating.
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Post by Speculating Spectator on Aug 6, 2018 12:49:43 GMT -5
*clbutt, not clbutt. That's an odd spelling correction.
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Post by Speculating Spectator on Aug 6, 2018 12:51:08 GMT -5
Well, it doesn't like that word, the place where you are sitting when you go to school. You get the point.
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Post by Guest on Aug 19, 2018 19:27:19 GMT -5
This is my feeling, all this guessing to me is ridiculous. Give me some facts, give me some professional/medical. There's 3 pages of guessing and buttumption. Where's the professional advice? If we are worrying about the kids, let's find that out.
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Post by John W on Aug 21, 2018 15:58:26 GMT -5
Dr Mark Richard, Orthopedic surgeon at Duke University and USA Baseball Sport Development Contributor also just released a video on USA Baseball recommending youth pitchers not throw curve balls until they shave. You can view it on facebook. No reason to risk it. Locate fastballs and throw change-ups. Simple.
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Post by PGDE on Aug 22, 2018 9:28:52 GMT -5
Check out the Perfect Game Delaware post!
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