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Post by Tom everett on Apr 15, 2019 2:51:24 GMT -5
I am curious how many 6th graders are on each 11u team? That’s a great question. All this talk about 11u teams, and if your goal is HS baseball like everyone says an 11u team with a lot of 6th graders, your competition is kids playing 12u baseball. I umpire both ages in the state and do most of the better teams and i can butture you the 11u age group is considerably weaker than the 12u age group up in MD. Not even close when i have done games. As compared to last year when the 11’s we’re as good as the 12’s, if not better. I know of a couple 12u teams built to have all the same age kids. Same grade i should say. Throw those team into the mix and these top 5 lists become 6-10 and not 1-5. That’s a great point made.
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Post by Big diamond on Apr 15, 2019 6:27:57 GMT -5
I am curious how many 6th graders are on each 11u team? That’s a great question. All this talk about 11u teams, and if your goal is HS baseball like everyone says an 11u team with a lot of 6th graders, your competition is kids playing 12u baseball. I umpire both ages in the state and do most of the better teams and i can butture you the 11u age group is considerably weaker than the 12u age group up in MD. Not even close when i have done games. As compared to last year when the 11’s we’re as good as the 12’s, if not better. I know of a couple 12u teams built to have all the same age kids. Same grade i should say. Throw those team into the mix and these top 5 lists become 6-10 and not 1-5. That’s a great point made. This is a conversation worth having and really common. Do you play with graduating clbutt or the May 1st date? The kids that have May, June and July birtdates at 9u-13u have a big advantage if the play with the clbutt below them. These older boys are much bigger and stronger for the most part and usually dominate baseball. They are more developed and more mature, playing well does help drive confidence...I feel the confidence gained by playing down is a plus as the mental side of baseball matters. In terms of playing with your clbutt, everyone will at some point. At 15u players will have to play with clbutt or play down which will hurt them. I feel you should at some point play by clbutt, but when depends on the kid.
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Post by stevesaraullo18 on Apr 15, 2019 6:41:48 GMT -5
This may be one of the best points made on here. Our rec rules have changed to go by grade and not the May 1 birth date. How long will it take travel to hop on and when do you grandfather people in?? A lot of questions to be had. I just wonder how many parents hold their kid back a year in school in purpose to let them develop a year. I was at my sons basketball tournament and one of the older kids said I’m re doing 8th grade next year so I can get taller and stronger for high school ball. To me this is crazy.
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Post by Baseball fan on Apr 15, 2019 7:22:55 GMT -5
That’s why you keep it at age and not by grade, if you have a kid that failed once or twice is now two years older than the other kids he’s playing with, until now I thought only lacrosse went by grade which I don’t agree with
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Post by oldtimer on Apr 15, 2019 7:31:13 GMT -5
I agree baseball should be by grade level. Not sure why it isn’t
Kids with sept-April birthdays get an extra year of 60/90 and a year and a half of BBCOR before high school.
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Post by oldtimer on Apr 15, 2019 8:14:18 GMT -5
That’s why you keep it at age and not by grade, if you have a kid that failed once or twice is now two years older than the other kids he’s playing with, until now I thought only lacrosse went by grade which I don’t agree with But if a kid fails in elementary school when they get to HS They will be still be a freshmen with 4 years of eligibility. If a parent holds a kid back so he is older when he gets to HS may be unethical but same thing.
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Post by Baseball fan on Apr 15, 2019 10:11:35 GMT -5
Think we’re kind of splitting hairs here, it’s only a couple of months of age difference right now, it’s only gonna really matter until you get to that 8th grade 9th grade level, so you think it should go by grade so with Steve’s example with the basketball ball kid saying he’s gonna fail 8th grade on purpose to be better prepared for HS, so ur saying a kid that should possibly be in 10th grade and 16 years old playing with 14 year olds because he’s still in 8th grade. Totally disagree, think it should be the way it is and by age, not grade
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Post by oldtimer on Apr 15, 2019 10:24:34 GMT -5
Does it makes sense that on a 14u team you have some kids in 8th grade and some in high school?
And I would hope if a 15 or 16 year old was in 8th grade they would play up on a travel team
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Post by Baseball fan on Apr 15, 2019 14:32:57 GMT -5
Who cares, your the same age, don’t care if your in 12th grade, if your the same age, not understanding the problem
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Post by oldtimer on Apr 15, 2019 16:46:49 GMT -5
A kid born on Jan 1 is same age as kid born December 31 . Under today’s rules these kids would have different ages for baseball though. Am sure they was a reason for the May 1st cutoff but my argument is that when you are a freshmen in high school no matter your age you are a freshman and your eligibility clock starts. There are some teams in my sons age group (14u ) who have several HS freshmen and at this age it probably gives these teams somewhat of an advantage. This wasn’t very Noticeable at younger ages . Doesn't bother me a bit that we play against “older “ kids from a competitive standpoint. My concern is with the “older kids” who have a year less to develop on the big field. Ultimately if a kid is talented and physically gifted it doesn’t matter but for the other 95 percent of kids I feel 2 years of 60/90 and a full year of bbcor is a big plus
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Post by 11u fan on Apr 15, 2019 16:58:13 GMT -5
Talking about the rankings and response to past post, elkridge and md orioles had a double header in which elkridge smoked md orioles first game 10-1, also looks like we should be giving some love to the other shocker team who’s only loss this year is to shocker gaylor
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Post by Baseball Fanatic27 on Apr 15, 2019 17:12:50 GMT -5
If anyone is interested, Olney Pirates have a game against HCYP Blue on Wednesday, at 5:45pm. I just thought it would be interesting to see HCYP Blue (who should be ranked) face a top tier team. Let’s see if HCYP can become noticed. Or Olney will just take it easily. Should be fun to watch. IF anyone would want to see the game in action, it’s at Kiwanis-Wallas Park at Field 6. If it’s a not even close game, HCYP can redeem themselves in May as then they play them at OBGC. Should be a good game in my opinion! HCYP did beat LakeShore, Mid Atlantic Red Sox, Calvert Tide, Hurricanes (5 times), and a lot of other good teams. SHOULD BE FUN! Good luck to anyone who is playing in that game!
How to follow teams:
Olney Pirates- GameChanger (if ya didn’t know) HCYP Raiders Blue- iScore Central
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Post by Rba coach on Apr 15, 2019 19:28:25 GMT -5
Maryland Orioles smoked Elkridge. Mid-Atlantic RedSox swept Olney, RBA lost to Bulldog Baseball club. WHEN WILL THE RANKINGS CHANGE!? Hey gang. Yes we lost 1 run to bulldog. We also won a game 5 to 1. Crab we use to develop kids. Dame teams who keep asking about ranking changes have lost 4 to 6 games as well to teams in top 10 and some who probably deserve to be there. My opinion only but you can change these rankings 20 times in next 3 mos the top 10 in md are very close "any given game" from what I am seeing. And top teams in NJ and VA are a cut above. We dont use gc but we are 11 and 5 losses to Bulldogs (split) and hick black (split) and olney. Others to out of state teams who are better than md teams we have played this year and last 2 years. No losses by more than a few runs FWIW. I'd say my boys are top 5 in that mix on a good day. Bottom of the top 10 on a rough day. Honest buttessment based on this clbutt. Lots of great teams but none consistent elite from what I see. Very good baseball games in the top 10 or 15 all around.
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Post by Tabatha on Apr 15, 2019 19:47:29 GMT -5
Maryland travel is watered down. 50 travel teams. This is why Nj and VA smoke us every time. The rankings are dumb because any given team can beat any team. Until teams consolidate at 14/15u this is what you get.
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Post by Rba coach on Apr 15, 2019 20:05:32 GMT -5
Maryland travel is watered down. 50 travel teams. This is why Nj and VA smoke us every time. The rankings are dumb because any given team can beat any team. Until teams consolidate at 14/15u this is what you get. I am not as harsh as you tabatha but I somewhat concur having been thru this now w 17 and 16 year olds as well. Nj and va do seem to consolidate sooner and I'm seeing it in some of those squads again (tri state is a prime example this year). Folks may not like it here but it's a fact. I cannot argue it. 90 foot diamond and puberty/genetics are also great equalizers over time (for boys who are properly trained and developed thru to those ages).
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